On 16 October 2011 12:49, Yosem Companys <[email protected]> wrote: >> So your goal is to raise $1m and "reinvent" something similar to the >> WWW, but more social. However do you realize that the WWW was >> >> designed to be social from day 1? > > If by "your goal" you mean "my personal goal," then yes. I can't speak for > the whole community, but that is my own personal goal. There's a lot of > interesting stuff we could build with that sum of money. > The goal is NOT to create something more social than the WWW because I know > sociability was the goal of the WWW. The goal is to open up walled gardens > that attempt to fragment the open web. The problem is that in many cases in > practice that sociability has become circumscribed to machine-to-machine -- > NOT person-to-person -- interactions, which has been an unfortunate > development in the open web's evolution. > >> >> Facebook interoperates with this cloud, does diaspora? The impression I >> have to date is that >> diaspora 'pods' primarily link to other diaspora pods, rather than >> heterogeneous systems, is that correct? > > Any existing social networking site or website could connect with Diaspora* > today. Our first app Cubbi.es is an independent web app that resides in its > own native environment on the WWW and connects with Diaspora* as well. No > need for developers to work on Diaspora*-specific apps, as they'd have to do > with, say for example, Facebook. > At Diaspora*, we believe in standing on the shoulders of giants, meaning > that we never reinvent the wheel. We integrate existing standards and > technologies whenever possible. It just makes sense to do so, as it cuts on > development time. > >> >> I'm not the greatest >> >> fan of Facebook, but people point fingers at them, but they have made >> an effort to interoperate. > > It's well documented that, when developers have tried to get Facebook user > personal data out of Facebook, Facebook has often made it difficult to do > so, if not outright prevented them from doing so. For Facebook, > interconnectivity is asymmetric. They are OK with your bringing data from > anywhere on the web into Facebook, but they are not so keen on your taking > it out. If you take too much out, they arbitrarily put a stop to it. And > they have done so even in cases when Facebook users themselves have wanted > to take their own data out of Facebook.
Yosem, thanks for the response. I'm not 100% sure you fielded my queries, but I've taken the opportunity to review the 'Federation Protocol' on your wiki. I feel perhaps not as much is being done terms of interop, at this time, as it could be. If I get a chance I'll post some feedback to your mailing list, tho I know you're already members of the Federation Community Group, which is a good start. Wish you the best of luck with your goals, keep up the great work spreading the message that the social web, needs to be secure, decentral and free! > >> >> > Best, >> > Yosem >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho >> > <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 16 October 2011 02:28, Yosem Companys <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > My name is Yosem, and I'm a member of this list, though I generally >> >> > don't >> >> > say much. I'm a PhD student at Stanford but also work running the >> >> > Diaspora* >> >> > Foundation. >> >> > If you'd like invites, please let me know, and I'll be happy to send >> >> > you >> >> > one. If you have any questions, please let me know too. Happy to >> >> > answer >> >> > them. We're very transparent, non-commercial, and community-run. >> >> > You >> >> > won't >> >> > get any BS from us. >> >> > Since a lot of people still have questions about Diaspora*, we took a >> >> > moment >> >> > to address some of the things we have been hearing lately. We hope >> >> > you'll >> >> > take a >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > look: http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/2011/10/15/diaspora-not-vaporware-not-a-nigerian-prince.html >> >> > Anyway, I'm at your disposal. Ask away. >> >> >> >> Thanks for pointing this out, that was an interesting read. >> >> >> >> If I've understood your financial statement correctly, you're looking >> >> to raise another $100, to keep going for the next year? >> >> >> >> My question is, does diaspora have plans to interoperate with other >> >> (non diaspora) FOSS social system, on the Web? If so, which ones? >> >> >> >> > Best, >> >> > Yosem >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Weaver <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:14 +0200 >> >> >> Brandon Invergo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > No sooner did I write that defense of Diaspora than I read this >> >> >> > article: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://allthingsd.com/20111013/at-lunch-with-diaspora-the-non-profit-open-source-social-network-built-by-outsiders/ >> >> >> > In which they float the idea of charging people for running a pod. >> >> >> > At >> >> >> > the same time, a friend on Facebook who has been waiting for an >> >> >> > invite to joindiaspora.com was talking about how he felt that they >> >> >> > were soliciting invites in exchange for donations. I'm assuming he >> >> >> > just got the same email as everyone else asking for donations but >> >> >> > since they also sent it to the people waiting for invitations, it >> >> >> > was >> >> >> > difficult not to make that assumption. >> >> >> >> >> >> <snip> >> >> >> >> >> >> That's definitely happening. >> >> >> I'm still waiting for an 'invitation' and got the email asking for >> >> >> $25 >> >> >> with the assurance that everybody donating wouldn't have to wait any >> >> >> longer. >> >> >> Young blokes beginning to see the uptake of a new project and eyeing >> >> >> Zuckerburg potentials is how I see it. >> >> >> If it carries on I might be declining the 'invitation' before I >> >> >> receive >> >> >> it. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Weaver. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> "In a world without walls and fences, >> >> >> what need have we for Windows or Gates?" >> >> >> -Anon. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Freedombox-discuss mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss > > _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
