Re: [Freedos-devel] Ukrainian language file

[Henrique Peron]

Hi Freewolle,   Thanks for the explanation on KEYUKR. Now I was able to test that. I just compared KEYUKR layout with the major industry (MS and IBM) layouts. The solution I implemented at the time which is closer to KEYUKR is UR.KEY which, when compiled, generates UR.KL - which is probably the one that you're using there.   The only difference is that UR.KL is based on a 102-key keyboard while KEYUKR is based on a regular 101-key US keyboard. Unfortunately, it's precisely on the 102nd key that you would find the ukrainian GHE. Even then, because of the US keyboard, Microsoft provided the ukrainian GHE also to be found on <Right_Alt> + <russian GHE>. All the rest is the same between KEYUKR and UR.KL; ukrainian YE, I and YI are found on the same keys, both under KEYUKR and UR.KL.   I understand the inconvenience of having to type <AltGr> + <russian GHE> every time you need the ukrainian GHE; I could prepare a 101-key version of the official Microsoft version, which would provide the replace the russian YO for the ukrainian GHE, then we would have identical solutions on KEYUKR and UR.KL.   Nevertheless, I would need this information from you in the first place: in order to avoid ambiguity, I would need the /id: xxx identifier code for the 102-key ukrainian keyboard.   On the other hand, there is this real 101-key ukrainian keyboard layout which is quite different from the KEYUKR solution. I found it on IBM website and I also prepared it for FreeDOS at the time. The filename is UR465.KEY. When compiled, you have UR465.KL. To use it, you would need to type "KEYB UR,,UR465.KL /ID:465". It does provide some letters on different positions from the ones they're found on KEYUKR and UR.KL. * The ukrainian GHE is found at the right side of ukrainian/russian KHA; * The russian I/ukrainian Y is found between EF and VE; * The ukrainian I is found between EM and TE; * The ukrainian YI is found at the right side of YU. Just by chance - is this the keyboard that you have? If so, this is it: you have the 101-key, /ID:465 ukrainian keyboard.   Furthermore, the character set devised for KEYUKR provides a capital dotted I and, on all ukrainian sites that I found and all orthography sites that explained the ukrainian letters, the ukrainian capital I is undotted, just like the latin one. In order not to expand the character sets for FreeDOS because of a single character (the middle dot, which you requested), could I ask you to use "*" instead?   Henrique   ----- Original Message ----- From: Freewolle Voluntar To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] Ukrainian language file >Hi there, Hi! >I just noticed that the character set used by KEYUKR is not standard - at >least according to IBM-DOS codepage 1125. >It is a mixture of IBM-DOS/MS-DOS russian codepage 866 and IBM-DOS ukrainian >codepage 1125. >It comprehends all the ukrainian and russian characters in the same >codepoints as 1125 but it provides two characters (middle dot, square root) >from russian codepage 866 and superscript 2 - which is not available on any >official IBM or MS-DOS cyrillic codepage. On that codepoint (#253) it should >be found the international currency sign instead, as it is both on cp866 and >cp1125. >So, I ask: do you need the middle dot (codepoint #250), the square root >(codepoint #251) and the superscript 2 (codepage #253) or could I stick to >the characters officially assigned to codepage 1125, which are respectively >the division sign, plus/minus sign and the international currency sign? Yes. It's symbol (#251) is wanted by me - it's used on the lists beginning (punctuation) on text's. Other symbols (#253 and #250) can be removed from codepage. >If I can stick to codepage 1125, fine. >If I should use those other 3 characters instead, I could provide a distinct >ukrainian codepage which would comply with keyukr - however, it would not be >named "1125". I would provide another codepage number and it would be >referred to in the documentation. Ok. >Furthermore, I was not able to switch to the cyrillic layout when I tried >KEYUKR. I tried both + (as you said) and >+ but KEYUKR didn't switch to the cyrillic layout. I tried >"KEYUKR /HELP" (which is in plain english) and "KEYUKR /HELP:RUS" and both >explanations were not clear to me, as to how to switch between the latin and >the cyrillic modes. I would appreciate help on how to do that. Thanks in >advance. In KeyUkr: Switch to Ukrainian layout: Press the left Ctrl + right Ctrl simultaneously. For return to latin layout, simple press the Esc key. >Henrique _______________________________________________________________ ICQ - You get the message, anywhere! Get it @ http://www.icq.com