On Tue, 26 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Steve Nickolas
<lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org> wrote:
MS-DOS 6.0 has DOSSHELL in base. (PC DOS never lost it; even the last
retail version still has the option to install it off the base install
disks.
You mean 2000 (aka, 7 w/ fixes)? Or "IBM server scripting toolkit"?
2000 (hence "last *retail* version"). I'm aware of PC DOS 7.1.
But no, my point was I don't think even 6.22 had it anymore, only in
Supp (or Stepup or whatever, can't remember), for some odd reason.
On which point you're absolutely right.
As you know, IBM and MS had a "falling out" around 1991. IBM allegedly
still had full sources to MS-DOS 5 and Win 3.0, though, but they
probably had to pay royalties on distributing them. So at least that's
my guess at why they removed it (and/or because they also had REXX and
E [editor] available, which came with PC-DOS 7, IIRC.)
Yeah. E was in 6.1 and 6.3 as well, although REXX was new to 7.
I actually had an XT once that had E on it from back in the days of DOS
3.3 - dunno how that happened but apparently the editor did leak out of
IBM back in those days (it's the successor to Personal Editor 2, which I
used to also have a copy of, and which does have the same interface).
At the time I thought it was clumsy as hell but it had its uses. And ran
in 256K (that's all I had back then).
and while LINK remained in MS-DOS until 4.01, its last appearance in PC DOS
is all the way back in 3.20.)
I don't understand the reasoning behind that. Why not include it? Why
make it harder to find? Maybe they had the idea that "nobody uses it"
or "it's buggy or limited" or "compilers have their own anyways". Most
likely, and obviously I'm not in total disagreement here. Because
while I think LINK is much more useful than EXE2BIN, even that can't
be used by itself, you need a compiler (e.g. Oberon/M).
It's possible it was excluded by accident. There's a few other
irregularities with MS-DOS and PC DOS 3.3 also, and of course 4.0 and 4.01
were a disaster.
It's just hard to imagine why they would ever include LINK and EXE2BIN
when nothing comes with DOS that can use them. BASICA/GW-BASIC surely
didn't. I don't know, I'm not as savvy as some people here (Ralf?).
Agreed.
Some versions of MS-DOS even included LIB (I have some specimens of 2.x
and 3.x that do). DEC's releases for the Rainbow even had MASM (!).
-uso.
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