I wonder if it's even physically possible to sue FreeDOS because it doesn't
exist as a legal organization.
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Van: "Teddy T." <t3...@hotmail.com>
Aan: "Technical discussion and questions for FreeDOS developers."
<freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Verzonden: Donderdag 26 maart 2015 07:08:15
Onderwerp: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
Asus
Hi Eric,
Ok for boot virus, we're not concerned because of the way we use our PCs but
yes other "standard" customers could be.
We don't complain for the default boot option 1 to be the HDD, but we complain
about those Asus ROG laptops not to be able to switch to the HDD if it's boot
option 2 while boot option 1 is an empty ODD.
And all the PCs probably had floppy and then ODD as default because it was
easier to reinstall or boot specific software in the past, I don't know.
Loosing 2-3 seconds on boot just because it will check the ODD is really not a
problem with those PCs that take less than 5 seconds to boot. Maybe because it
boots on a SSD, maybe because it's boot is in a hurry as you say, but really it
could take 10 seconds to boot it would still be fine.
Anyway, so far I always had ODD as boot option 1 on all of my PCs and I used to
self then in very good condition 5-7 years after I purchase them, but maybe I
was lucky to have resistant ODD.
If only we had at least 2 seconds to press a key to get boot menu on startup,
it would at least be half acceptable.
Asus... smarter bios... so far I shouldn't take the example of their
technicians to guess what is the definition of smart for Asus... But yes if
they were lazzy they could have just removed the possibility to create a boot
options list.
About "sueing" FreeDOS, I know that when they have procecutions, many big
compagnies try to blame and "transfer" the procecution to smaller compagnies.
For example when a plane crash and customer ask for money, the big company
usually put the blame on the technicians sub-contractors or else and force them
to take the fault and pay the customers.
We really have no idea how to "push" Asus to create a patch for it's BIOS
except with a legal action... any suggestion ? Because it's the first thing we
asked and their first answer was "We Asus decided to do it that way so we don't
consider there's a problem".
Of course it was before we proved there was one, and then they decided that yes
but the fault was on FreeDOS. Very honest and professional...
Regards.
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:16:04 +0100
> From: e.a...@jpberlin.de
> To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] FW: FreeDOS compatibility issue according to
> Asus
>
>
> Hi Teddy,
>
> the whole point of a boot virus is that it makes the
> infected disk bootable, at least for booting the virus.
>
> Of course if the disk has no operating system on it,
> you get an error message - after you get infected :-p
>
> I do not know why "every" PC had a default to boot from
> CD, DVD or floppy instead of harddisk. It does not make
> sense in particular because "every" PC has Windows pre-
> installed on harddisk, so you never have to boot anything
> else. I only know that I myself always avoid such config.
> I would not sue a vendor about "wrong" defaults, though.
>
>
>
> The modern BIOS "which drive do you want to boot from"
> menu is loaded BEFORE the harddisk or SSD is loaded,
> so it does not make any difference how fast SSD are.
> You are right that modern BIOS are a bit in a hurry.
>
> However, if you set your BIOS to always try floppy and
> CD/DVD first, you boot slower, because you first have
> to spin up the engine of your floppy and CD/DVD drive
> and try if the data on the floppy or CD/DVD will boot.
> Also, it is noisy and makes your drive wear out faster.
>
>
>
> It is indeed stupid of Asus that they let you configure
> a LIST of drives to try to boot from, with an order of
> preference, but then always try only the FIRST drive on
> the list! Instead of forcing the PC to turn off, other
> options would be 1. insert a boot CD and 2. press reset,
> maybe simply press ctrl-alt-del.
>
> So Asus has two choices: Make their BIOS smarter to try
> other drives after the preferred drive turns out to not
> have a boot disk inserted. OR change the menu to give
> you only ONE drive to configure as bootable, instead of
> a whole list... Either way, this is NOT DOS related :-)
>
>
>
> I am also not aware of any reasons of Asus why they would
> "sue FreeDOS", has anybody told you that they would like?
>
> Regarding your problem: You probably can NOT sue Asus as
> well. The problem is too small. You can only keep pushing
> them to make their BIOS smarter or remove that list menu.
>
> As you know, you can easily install an updated BIOS from
> them, IF they take the effort to make one for that board.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
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