I did have a Mitsumi single speed CD-ROM drive on my massive 20 Mhz
80286 back in 1993. It came with an own ISA interface card, so I think
it probably used some proprietary protocol instead of ATAPI.

Funnily enough that thing did faithful service until 2007 when it
still happily see-sawed inside a friend of mine's under-table 'server'
for his small business.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2023 at 21:58, Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel
<freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/3/2023 11:54 AM, Jerome Shidel via Freedos-devel wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Bret Johnson via Freedos-devel 
> >> <freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>> Yeah, USB and CD/DVD makes only sense for a 386+ ...
> >> USB, yes.  CD/DVD, no.  USB requires PCI which in turn requires 386+.  
> >> Actually, there were supposedly USB host controllers manufactured for the 
> >> ISA bus instead of PCI, but I've never actually seen one.  But USB 
> >> protocols assume you're using a 32-bit (and in some cases 64-bit) CPU so 
> >> USB really only makes sense on 386+, though you could probably make things 
> >> work on a lesser CPU if you absolutely had to.
> >>
> >> But CD drivers existed back in the early days and they never required 
> >> anything special of the CPU.  They would sometimes take advantage of 
> >> special features if they were available, but it wasn't required.  AFAIK, 
> >> there are no DOS DVD drivers anyway since I don't think anything has ever 
> >> supported UDF.
> > I don’t recall any sub-386 ever shipping with a CD-ROM drive. But, there 
> > may have been a couple very high end machines.
> The main problem why I consider a CD/DVD drive is that on pre-386
> computers, you rarely have an IDE/ATAPI controller to connect a common
> CD-ROM drive. Yeah, theoretically, you could use a SCSI one, but that's
> a completely different kettle of fish...
>
> The first time I used CD-ROM drives was at least on a 486 machine. You
> could try to use and ATAPI controller on an AT class computer (80286, or
> lower), but then you are getting down into a deep dark rabbit hole where
> you need to know what you're doing anyway, so trying to adapt FreeDOS
> would be a manual option.
>
> Hence, from a general, default installation option POV, I stick with my
> assessment that it makes only sense for a 386+ machine...
>
>
> Ralf
>
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