On 10.3.2015 17:35, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 16:19 +0100, Petr Spacek wrote: >> On 10.3.2015 15:53, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> On Tue, 2015-03-10 at 15:32 +0100, Petr Spacek wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I would like to discuss Generic support for unknown DNS RR types (RFC 3597 >>>> [0]). Here is the proposal: >>>> >>>> LDAP schema >>>> =========== >>>> - 1 new attribute: >>>> ( <OID> NAME 'GenericRecord' DESC 'unknown DNS record, RFC 3597' EQUALITY >>>> caseIgnoreIA5Match SYNTAX 1.3.6.1.4.1.1466.115.121.1.26 ) >>>> >>>> The attribute should be added to existing idnsRecord object class as MAY. >>>> >>>> This new attribute should contain data encoded according to RFC 3597 >>>> section >>>> 5 [5]: >>>> >>>> The RDATA section of an RR of unknown type is represented as a >>>> sequence of white space separated words as follows: >>>> >>>> The special token \# (a backslash immediately followed by a hash >>>> sign), which identifies the RDATA as having the generic encoding >>>> defined herein rather than a traditional type-specific encoding. >>>> >>>> An unsigned decimal integer specifying the RDATA length in octets. >>>> >>>> Zero or more words of hexadecimal data encoding the actual RDATA >>>> field, each containing an even number of hexadecimal digits. >>>> >>>> If the RDATA is of zero length, the text representation contains only >>>> the \# token and the single zero representing the length. >>>> >>>> Examples from RFC: >>>> a.example. CLASS32 TYPE731 \# 6 abcd ( >>>> ef 01 23 45 ) >>>> b.example. HS TYPE62347 \# 0 >>>> e.example. IN A \# 4 0A000001 >>>> e.example. CLASS1 TYPE1 10.0.0.2 >>>> >>>> >>>> Open questions about LDAP format >>>> ================================ >>>> Should we include "\#" constant? We know that the attribute contains >>>> record in >>>> RFC 3597 syntax so it is not strictly necessary. >>>> >>>> I think it would be better to follow RFC 3597 format. It allows blind >>>> copy&pasting from other tools, including direct calls to python-dns. >>>> >>>> It also eases writing conversion tools between DNS and LDAP format because >>>> they do not need to change record values. >>>> >>>> >>>> Another question is if we should explicitly include length of data >>>> represented >>>> in hexadecimal notation as a decimal number. I'm very strongly inclined to >>>> let >>>> it there because it is very good sanity check and again, it allows us to >>>> re-use existing tools including parsers. >>>> >>>> I will ask Uninett.no for standardization after we sort this out (they own >>>> the >>>> OID arc we use for DNS records). >>>> >>>> >>>> Attribute usage >>>> =============== >>>> Every DNS RR type has assigned a number [1] which is used on wire. RR types >>>> which are unknown to the server cannot be named by their mnemonic/type name >>>> because server would not be able to do name->number conversion and to >>>> generate >>>> DNS wire format. >>>> >>>> As a result, we have to encode the RR type number somehow. Let's use >>>> attribute >>>> sub-types. >>>> >>>> E.g. a record with type 65280 and hex value 0A000001 will be represented >>>> as: >>>> GenericRecord;TYPE65280: \# 4 0A000001 >>>> >>>> >>>> CLI >>>> === >>>> $ ipa dnsrecord-add zone.example owner \ >>>> --generic-type=65280 --generic-data='\# 4 0A000001' >>>> >>>> $ ipa dnsrecord-show zone.example owner >>>> Record name: owner >>>> TYPE65280 Record: \# 4 0A000001 >>>> >>>> >>>> ACK? :-) >>> >>> Almost. >>> We should refrain from using subtypes when not necessary, and in this >>> case it is not necessary. >>> >>> Use: >>> GenericRecord: 65280 \# 4 0A000001 >> >> I was considering that too but I can see two main drawbacks: >> >> 1) It does not work very well with DS ACI (targetattrfilter, anyone?). Adding >> generic write access to GenericRecord == ability to add TLSA records too, >> which you may not want. IMHO it is perfectly reasonable to limit write access >> to certain types (e.g. to one from private range). >> >> 2) We would need a separate substring index for emulating filters like >> (type==65280). AFAIK GenericRecord;TYPE65280 should work with presence index >> which will be handy one day when we decide to handle upgrades like >> GenericRecord;TYPE256->UriRecord. >> >> Another (less important) annoyance is that conversion tools would have to >> mangle record data instead of just converting attribute name->record type. >> >> >> I can be convinced that subtypes are not necessary but I do not see clear >> advantage of avoiding them. What is the problem with subtypes? > > Poor support by most clients, so it is generally discouraged. Hmm, it does not sound like a thing we should care in this case. DNS tree is not meant for direct consumption by LDAP clients (compare with cn=compat).
IMHO the only two clients we should care are FreeIPA framework and bind-dyndb-ldap so I do not see this as a problem, really. If someone wants to access DNS tree by hand - sure, use a standard compliant client! Working ACI and LDAP filters sounds like good price for supporting only standards compliant clients. AFAIK OpenLDAP works well and I suspect that ApacheDS will work too because Eclipse has nice support for sub-types built-in. If I can draw some conclusions from that, sub-types are not a thing aliens forgot here when leaving Earth one million years ago :-) > The problem with subtypes and ACIs though is that I think ACIs do not > care about the subtype unless you explicit mention them. IMHO that is exactly what I would like to see for GenericRecord. It allows us to write ACI which allows admins to add any GenericRecord and at the same time allows us to craft ACI which allows access only to GenericRecord;TYPE65280 for specific group/user. > So perhaps bind_dyndb_ldap should refuse to use a generic type that > shadows DNSSEC relevant records ? Sorry, this cannot possibly work because it depends on up-to-date blacklist. How would the plugin released in 2015 know that highly sensitive OPENPGPKEY type will be standardized in 2016 and assigned number XYZ? -- Petr^2 Spacek -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-devel mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel Contribute to FreeIPA: http://www.freeipa.org/page/Contribute/Code
