On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 21:16, Peter T. Breuer wrote: > No I haven't. I'm sure radius is fine. OTOH I'm quite sure the rfc is > probably a load of badly written rubbish, because they normally are. > So? Is there something new? Have you read a rfc lately? I certainly > haven't! ;)
Yes, I have. As such, you'd do well to lay off trying to tell me what is and isn't when it comes to RFCs. > As to telling people? I am giving them the benefit of my judgement and > appraisal. I've pointed out the things that are wrong. Now you get to > act on it. That's cool. Go with it. You can not point out things are wrong until you understand those things. You don't, therefore you are unable to make any sort of intelligent argument. So stop trying. > I'm not trying to learn anything! I would hope I never do. I hate > learning anything. I avoid learning anything at all! I do it far too > easily, thank you. I haveto work hard to avoid it. Which is exactly why you should run away from free software. Run far away. Free software normally requires you to actually learn something about what you're trying to use it for. Most people who use free software want to learn something anyway. You have just said you do not. Therefore, do yourself and everyone on this list a favor and stay away from it. > That's the point - I am not YOUR slave. I don't do what YOU want me to > do. If you want ME to use YOUR tool then YOU must persuade ME to. And > you do that by doing what *I* want, not the other way round. > > Got it? Yes, I absolutely get that you *don't* get it. I am not YOUR slave. I use the software because it works well for me. I make it better to suite *my* needs. As such, it is honestly no skin off my back whether or not you find the product useful. I try to be wary of others needs as well so that others can make use of any modifications I make. I freely give of my time because I enjoy it, not because you tell me to. > It's a market. You've got competition. I could have used gnu-radius. > I could have used others. There has to be something about what YOU have > that persuades me to use yours. It seems to me that there already was something. You said so yourself that you found the configuration of FreeRADIUS to be much easier than that of GNU-RADIUS. However, as I commented above, I don't really care if you use it or not. What I do know is that its damn good software and that I have a much greater degree of flexibility with this package than I would have with most others. The tradeoff is that I have to actually know something. I, unlike you, actually enjoy learning new things. It keeps the mind young and fresh. It also means that if something breaks, I actually know how to fix it instead of having to pay someone a great amount of money to do it for me. I like that. You may not. That's the tradeoff involved. > Now, I've been kind enough to point out to you where the problems in > the docs are. There's no need to go off the deep end - you just have to > fix them. Yousay thanks, because fixing it lowers the market resistence > to your tool, and enables you to make further inroads against your > competitors. Oh, I'm forever in your debt. Oh wait, screw that. I'm not going to say "thanks" for you pointing something out that I didn't think was a problem before. What I will say is... If you think there's a problem, then you fix it. You can then contribute to making it better. I have already contributed to making it better, and I didn't seem to have any problem with the documentation. > You try explaining grammar to a person who doesn't know that they are > speaking a language. There is a difference between a THING and the NAME > of a thing. Check out your Lewis Carrol. > > Does that bring it home? > > No? Then go "learn about it". I am quite familiar with the grammatical constructs of the English language and how to properly convey a thought. Learning is something I do every day. You seem to be afraid of it. > No, I'm not. They are. I _am_ a lingusitic semanticist, as you would > find if you looked me up. I can't argue about it - I simply say what is > right. You say what you *think* is right. And you need to learn how to spell. > Sure - it looks easy. One packet in, one packet out, as far as I recall > (and I only glanced at it). What has that got to do with anything? > That's not in my competence to talk about and I've not commented on it. > Nor do I care about it. Then stop trying to tell experts how things should be done. > Because they ARE what matters. What I am interested in is the language > used to describe the simple (one-action, repeated) state machine that > you construct from the description. That's what *I* interface with. Yeesh. They are what matters to YOU. The rest of us seem to have gotten the picture. You're so wrapped up in the semantics that you can't figure out the big picture. You can't see the forest for the trees. > No, I have not! Where do you get this from? I am telling you what my > expectations are, and my expectaions ARE correct, by definition. Just > as my expectation that the steering wheel on a car turns the car right > when you turn the wheel right are correct. Yes, there are vehicles > where it works the other way round. They're wrong. Now you're getting into cultural norms. The cultural norm in one area is not the same as the cultural norm in another area. This does not mean that one norm is "right" and the other is "wrong." The norm for our field of expertise may not be the same as the norm for yours in the respects you are addressing. That does not give you the right to criticize the hard work of many people. > No, I have not! Will you stop this senseless insulting behaviour? > Thank you! I am not insulting. I am simply stating fact. > No I do not. I have no interest whatsoever in reading anything, and I > most certainly have no interest in radius! Why do you think I should? > Such arrogance! Great! Then I expect to see no more posts from you on this list. You have just stated that you have no interest in RADIUS. It's been nice conversing with you. --Mike - List info/subscribe/unsubscribe? See http://www.freeradius.org/list/users.html
