Hi Jelmer

I took a quick look, but it is a lot easier for us if you extract the relevant parameters, as we are not that familiar with Philips in general. Is this inversion-prepared? I didn't see a TI. Generally inversion-preparation improves T1 CNR/unit-time. Also, your wrap direction looks like it is A/P.You might try making it L/R instead which is a shorter dimension. What coil are you using? Are you using sense?

cheers
Bruce


On Wed, 2 Apr 2014, Kok, JG (neuro) wrote:

Dear Bruce, Andre, someone else,

I think I caused some misunderstanding yesterday for which I am sorry. Now I do 
not know on what parameters Andre commented. So to hopefully make things clear 
I am once more attaching the parameter file which was used to create a T1 image 
(see attached screenshots) that may be of good quality. I hope you are willing 
to have a look and see if these parameters would result in good quaity T1 
images.

Thanks,

Jelmer


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Van: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] namens Kok, JG (neuro) 
[j.g.ko...@umcg.nl]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 april 2014 18:17
Aan: Freesurfer support list
Onderwerp: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

Hi Andre,

I hope you looked at the attached "scan1_parameter_file.txt" when you mentioned that you 
think it seemed to be a reasonable protocol: the parameters in the body of the email Bruce is 
referring to were the suggested parameters in 
"http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~andre/FreeSurfer_recommended_morphometry_protocols.pdf";, 
not the ones I am using/planning to adjust.

Thanks,

Jelmer


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Van: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] namens Bruce Fischl 
[fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 april 2014 18:10
Aan: Freesurfer support list
CC: Andre van der Kouwe
Onderwerp: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

no, I just looked at the ones in the body of your email
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014,
Kok, JG (neuro) wrote:

Dear Bruce and Andre,

PS I am sorry, but may I assume you have only looked at the parameters in 
"scan1_parameter_file.txt" and not in
"scan2_parameter_file.txt"? That would be fine, but I would just like to check 
we are talking about the same scan parameters
that seem to be fine...

Thanks,

Jelmer

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Van: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] namens Kok, JG (neuro) 
[j.g.ko...@umcg.nl]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 april 2014 16:45
Aan: Freesurfer support list
Onderwerp: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

Hi Bruce and Andre,

Many thanks for your comments!

Cheers,

Jelmer

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Van: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] namens Andre van der Kouwe
[an...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 april 2014 15:37
Aan: Bruce Fischl; Freesurfer support list
Onderwerp: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

No, I think that's a reasonable protocol to use and good to use SENSE to speed 
it up.

-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Fischl
Date:04/01/2014 2:28 PM (GMT+02:00)
To: Freesurfer support list
Cc: Andre van der Kouwe
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

looks pretty reasonable. Andre: any comments/suggestions?

On Tue, 1 Apr
2014, Kok, JG (neuro) wrote:

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your fast reply.

Hereby I attach the parameter files of both scans (although I suspect looking at the 
parameters of "scan1" may be sufficient).
Checking it with the information on Philips at
"http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~andre/FreeSurfer_recommended_morphometry_protocols.pdf":

"
Sequence: T1W_3D_TFE_SENSE
Acquisition time: 5:13
Voxel size: 1.0 x 1.0 x 1.0 mm3
Geometry: FoV 256 mm (256 x 256 matrix), 176 sagittal slices, slice thickness 1 
mm, (3D encoding)
Timing: TR shortest (7600 ms), TI 1100 ms, TE shortest (3.5 ms), bandwidth 
191.5 Hz/px
RF: flip angle 7°
Acceleration: 2x SENSE
"

suggests that parameters in "scan1_parameter_file.txt" are already pretty 
similar to those I guess. (Is it the SENSE that is
missing in our protocol that is the most important difference?)

Thanks,

Jelmer

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Van: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] namens Bruce Fischl
[fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 april 2014 14:09
Aan: Freesurfer support list
Onderwerp: Re: [Freesurfer] quality T1 scans for new study

Hi Jelmer

if you give us the specific acquisition details we can help more (receive
coil, acceleration, voxel size, sequence type, TR/TE/TI/flip
angle/bandwidth, etc....). We also have recommended morphometry sequences
on our website.

10 min is a pretty long structural scan for a modern MRI scanner.

cheers
Bruce

On Tue, 1 Apr 2014,
Kok, JG (neuro) wrote:

Dear Freesurfer experts,
We are planning to start a new MRI study which will include T1 scans. As we
are in a testing phase now, I was wondering whether you could comment on the
attached screenshots. Clearly, "scan1" has a better white matter/grey matter
contrast than "scan2". Do you think going for "scan1" would be the sensible
thing to do when we later wish to use Freesurfer with these scans? Or
perhaps is neither of the examples I attached good enough?

By the way, these scans were acquired on a Philips 3T scanner, both taking
around 10 minutes.

It you need any more information, please let me know. Many thanks in advance
for your advice.

Jelmer Kok

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