1. Since the whole point of the business proposition is to organize something around the fact that people are willing to pay for an installed system, we might be in a position to pony up the license fees. I'm sure they're not too high. I'll look into this, and see what I come up with.
2. You have a point there :), but I think it will be, and probably sooner than later. 3. See (1). I have looked around for EPG license fees, but is unable to find my way around. Do you have any good links for this? 4. Sure. Anyone can do this - who knows freevo intimately, knows python, knows linux, device drivers and lots of broadcasting black magic - anyone at all. However, consider the following; a) If we were organized into some sort of economic community, _we_ would be in the position of being able to buy 'bulk' hw at discount prices, and also in the position of having the only organization on earth able to support freevo in the short term. And there would be no point in sitting on our hands waiting for the long term to show up :) b) See a) /Pet -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: den_RDC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 13 oktober 2003 23:55 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ämne: Re: SV: [Freevo-devel] Internet update/plugin selection framework for Freevo ? I demo "genbox" (freevo on gentoo) on a few local lan's where i am part of the crew, and i have gotten the "Can i buy that" or "Why don't u sell a box like that" before, so i have also thought of it a lot. 1 - There's the licensing issue. U're basically selling a mpeg encoder/decoder, so company x + y+ z will ask u to pay all sorts of licensing fees. With a PVR250/350/DXR3 u can get around this a bit, but that's not very handy or completly legal-proof (divx/mpeg 4 decoding, mp3 decoding, realmedia, quicktime). 2 - i consider freevo not-yet-mature enough just yet. If u want to sell freevo boxes, u will have to standardise on a certain set of hardware and weed all remaining bugs out (and contribute back ofcourse). Even if it would only crash once a month, that's still to much if u sell it to a few dozen people and have to provide support (and the legal 1year guarantee here). 3 - EPG data. You'll have to pay for it or u will get sued. 4 - And when u'have done 2, anybody with a better supply chain and cheaper HW access kan simply dd your freevo box harddrive and sell his own cheaper. I have made some freevo boxes for friends and stuff, but i don't get rich from that except for some donations. So it' basically near impossibble, except maybe if u have a small truckload of cash. Mvg den_RDC On Monday 13 October 2003 23:29, Aubin Paul wrote: > There are a few problems that I considered when I was thinking of > something like this. > > 1. Codec licensing is a big one. Some codecs, like MPEG4 require > licensing for playback AND for recording. Also, MPEG2, AAC, etc. To > release a "boxed" version of Freevo, you'd have to cripple those things > or find a way to pay for them all. Of course, DVD playback requires a > separate MPEG2 and DVD license. > > 2. Lack of controls. One of the things I like about Freevo is the lack > of controls; but if you could get sued very easily by cable/TV > companies if you allowed people to burn DRM-free copies of things. I'm > not saying the lawsuits would have any merit, but it would hurt before > you got started. > > The "free" in freevo would be at risk because of the variety of laws, > patents, and arbitrary restrictions on fair use. > > Aubin > > On 13-Oct-03, at 4:03 PM, Peter Svensson wrote: > > I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot here, but I am certain that > > I'm > > not the only person intent on actually selling boxes with freevo in > > them. > > > > The remote update idea is great. I've already worked on that idea from > > a > > retailers perspective (Blocking stolen machines, et.c.). > > > > But riddle me this; > > > > Q: What's the difference between Redhat corp. and the loosely knitted > > freevo > > community? > > > > > > A: Redhat knows it's company :-)= > > > > What I mean is that if one found a model (and I don't have one right > > on the > > top of my head - but that doesn't mean we can't find one) for > > developing, > > distributing and supporting freevo in a commercial manner, everybody > > could > > benefit. > > > > I'm thinking something along the lines of developers getting kickbacks > > for > > every _commercially sold_ system, support organizations (or > > individuals) > > sell support 'packages' (6 mo/1 yr) to the retailers (myself included > > > > :) > > > > which resell them to the customers who funds the whole shebang. > > > > I have absolutely no idea whether a) Anyone would want anything like > > this, > > b) If it is at all legal, Gnu-wise. ALl I know is that every hardware > > company on earth is dropping something freevo-like on the market at the > > moment and freevo kicks the butt of everything I've seen - with a few > > features missing here and there (SAT-card reader stuff, for instance) > > - but > > oh, the configurability. > > > > Now, go ahead and call me names :) > > > > Respectfully, > > Peter. > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > Från: Robert Rozman > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Skickat: 2003-10-13 21:36 > > Ämne: [Freevo-devel] Internet update/plugin selection framework for > > Freevo ? > > > > Hello, > > > > I've been thinking about some proper way/system to solve problem of > > user > > friendliness and remote updates/plugins selections through some easier > > interfaces in Freevo. I'm speech recognition researcher and use CSLU > > Speech > > tookit. They have web update service, where user remotely update or > > select/deselect current software modules. > > > > I'm sure that when Freevo is coming to more mature state where core > > wouldn't > > be so much in development and a lot of plugins will arise - we need > > some > > easy way of doing this. > > > > Any thoughts, ideas, code in this direction? Is twisted right framework > > for > > the job? Are there any other possibilities under Python ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > > SourceForge.net hosts over 70,000 Open Source Projects. > > See the people who have HELPED US provide better services: > > Click here: http://sourceforge.net/supporters.php > > _______________________________________________ > > Freevo-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > > SourceForge.net hosts over 70,000 Open Source Projects. > > See the people who have HELPED US provide better services: > > Click here: http://sourceforge.net/supporters.php > > _______________________________________________ > > Freevo-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. > SourceForge.net hosts over 70,000 Open Source Projects. > See the people who have HELPED US provide better services: > Click here: http://sourceforge.net/supporters.php > _______________________________________________ > Freevo-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. 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