Bourbon is also good.  Especially when made up into a Manhattan.  Small
squeeze of fresh orange, a decent sweet red vermouth, marsichino...

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Victoria Hughes <[email protected]>wrote:

> That can happen too.
> That's the point, there are no necessary boundaries.
> Although I am a bourbon woman, personally.
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote:
>
>  I am up for this one, Merle-
>>
>> Tory
>>
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
>>
>>  But we may have to have a useful conversation about emergence in order to
>>> talk about soul, consciousness, or spirit.
>>>
>>> Merle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicholas Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try this:  a property of an entity is emergent when it depends on the
>>>> arrangment or the order of presentation of the parts of the entity.  (It's
>>>> /properties/ that are emergent, not /entities/ ... some properties of a 
>>>> pile
>>>> of sand are emergent, some aggregate.)  Here, I believe, I am channeling
>>>> Wimsatt.  The beauty of reading a collection such as Bedau and The Other 
>>>> Guy
>>>> is that you experience the whip-lash of moving from point of view to point
>>>> of view.   Good exercise for the neck.  By the way, Russ (was it?) was a
>>>> ...leetle... unfair to Bedau.  I dont think Bedau thinks it's a mystery; i
>>>> think he thinks others have thought  it a mystery.  But it's been a few
>>>> months since I read it.  Implementation:  Consider the expression, "there 
>>>> is
>>>> more than one way to skin a cat".   Equivalent to: "there are several
>>>> programs you can use to implement a cat skinning."   Consciousness:  the 
>>>> big
>>>> source of confusion in emergence discussions is the attempt to attach
>>>> emergence to such perennial mysteries as consciousness. (Actually, I dont
>>>> think consciousness is a mystery, but let that go.)  The strength of a
>>>> triangle is an emergent property of the arrangment of its legs and their
>>>> attachments.   There are lots of ways bang together boards and still have a
>>>> weak construction, which I learned when I put together a grape arbor with 
>>>> no
>>>> diagonal members.  Worked fine until the grapes grew on it.  Emergent
>>>> properties are everywhere in the simplest of constructions.  We dont need 
>>>> to
>>>> talk about soul, or consciouness, or spirit to have a useful conversation
>>>> about emergence.
>>>> Nick
>>>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
>>>> Clark University ([email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>)
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/><
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  *From:* Victoria Hughes <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>  *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>>>  <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>  *Sent:* 9/6/2009 10:32:59 AM
>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] emergence
>>>>
>>>>  Consciousness / self-awareness?
>>>>  Is this thus acceptable as an emergent phenomenon?
>>>>  If so, how does this permit, or not, the definition of 'the self'
>>>>  as a unique identity?
>>>>
>>>>   Emergence is what happens when components of the "emergent
>>>>>  entity" act in such a way as to bring about the existence and
>>>>>  persistence of that entity.
>>>>>
>>>>>  When "boids" follow their local flying rules, they create
>>>>>  (implement) a flock. It's not mysterious. We know how it works.
>>>>>
>>>>>  That's all emergence is: coordinated or consistent actions among
>>>>>  a number of elements that result in the formation and persistence
>>>>>  of some aggregate entity or phenomenon.
>>>>>
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