Nick - A place to begin exploring some of these issues might be:
Muddling Through : Pursuing Science and Truths in the Twenty-First Century, by Mike Fortun and Herbert Bernstein (billed as a "science historian" and a "quantum physicist" . . . I have found it to be a good read . . .) Thanks . . . tom Amazon: Muddling Through : Pursuing Science and Truths in the Twenty-First Century On Oct 22, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > So how do we “convince” in pomo scholarship. Bribery? Threats? If not > logic, what legitimate inducements to agreement are available? > Nick > > From: geniegia...@gmail.com [mailto:geniegia...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Genie > Giaimo > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:57 AM > To: kitc...@lists.clarku.edu; James Cordova > Cc: James Laird; Vincent Hevern; ForwNThompson; friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: Chomsky Supports Thompson > > Hey all, > > Think this is problematic simply because with the introduction of post > modernism (and arguably other earlier movements) authors are not always > looking for logical conclusions for why people are the way they are. Think > about A Clockwork Orange for example. In po-mo form and content sometimes > break down and people do things for reasons that seem beyond a logical "oh it > was their childhood or x y and z experience that did it"--I really am > convinced that we are working within two different frameworks that overlap > but in a problematic way because of the difference in outcome that is > expected in the two. > > Genie > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, James Cordova <jcord...@clarku.edu> wrote: > From Skinner's "Science and Human Behavior" > > "Social stimuli are important to those to whom social reinforcement is > important. The salesman, the courtier, the entertainer...-- all are likely to > be affected by subtle properties of human behavior, associated with favor or > disapproval, which are overlooked by many people. It is significant that the > novelist, as a specialist in the description of human behavior, often shows > an early history in which social reinforcement has been especially important." > > And of course Skinner was also a novelist. > > Best, > > James > > James V. Cordova, Ph.D. > Associate Professor > Director of Clinical Training > Department of Psychology > Clark University > (508) 793-7268 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Laird [mailto:jla...@clarku.edu] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 10:07 AM > To: kitc...@lists.clarku.edu; 'Vincent Hevern'; ForwNThompson > Cc: friam@redfish.com > Subject: RE: Chomsky Supports Thompson > > Vinnie, > Nice to see you chiming in. > Chomsky doesn't impress me, since he isn't very empirical. Now if it > was Skinner, who was both an empiricist and a novelist, that would be > impressive. Actually, since Skinner is dead, that would be really, really > impressive. > Isn't this all about the feeling of knowing and how that differs (or > not) from actual knowing? And there is lots of empirical research > demonstrating how easy it is to deceive people's feeling of knowing, so that > they feel they know something that they clearly don't. and whatever > skepticism we might feel about the existential state of "real" knowledge, we > can at least agree, I would think, that knowing and feeling of knowing are > different. > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Hevern [mailto:hev...@lemoyne.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 4:49 PM > To: ForwNThompson > Cc: kitc...@lists.clarku.edu; friam@redfish.com > Subject: Chomsky Supports Thompson > > Just to add to the mix: > > Noam Chomsky (1988). Language and Problems of Knowledge: > > "It is quite possible -- overwhelmingly probable one might guess -- > that we will always learn more about human life and human personality > from novels than from scientific psychology." > > [quoted in Peter Watson (2000). The Modern Mind. New York: Harper > Perennial, pp. 755-56] > > I just read this and had to send it along. > > Vinny > -- > > ---------------------------------------------- > Vincent W. Hevern, SJ, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > Le Moyne College > 1419 Salt Springs Rd. > Syracuse, NY 13214 USA > hev...@lemoyne.edu > (315) 445-4342 (Office) > (315) 445-4722 (FAX) > ---------------------------------------------- > Web: www.hevern.com > Narrative Psychology: www.narrativepsych.com > IJDS: www.dialogical.org > ---------------------------------------------- > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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