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On Saturday, April 6, 2013, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Fortunately we Pastafarian men of the cloth (tablecloth) do
> not proselytize.
>
> --Doug
>
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Steve Smith
> <sasm...@swcp.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sasm...@swcp.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep, I think 90% is in the ballpark, but it's not the percentage as
>> much as the trend which bothers me. That, plus the fact that "we" are just
>> passively allowing the degradation of education, and the teaching of
>> critical thought to continue as is in Texas, and other parts of the
>> religion-dominated regions of our country.
>>
>> Don't see the religion factor? Look again.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>> No, I do see the strong correlation with religion... in this case various
>> forms of Christianity.
>>
>> The *other* Abrahamic (Ibrahamic) religions (Islam, Judaism, and
>> variants) seem just as bad. I honestly don't have enough experience with
>> any others... the *eastern* religions in their original form look more like
>> mystical philosophical teachings than what I'm used to, and it is easy
>> enough to cherry pick from their various translated writings to get a good
>> warm fuzzy feeling, but the westernized versions (in particular American
>> Buddhism) is infected with the very same stuff that buggers us in the
>> Abrahamics... but that may be more about *us* than about the original
>> religions/spiritual-paths/philosophies?
>>
>> On the flip side, I *still* insist that a lot of the "anti-religious"
>> rhetoric is sadly it's own form of religion... My ex- M-in-Law, a staunch
>> Catholic who pretty much thought she knew more than anyone (excepting the
>> Pope, cuz he was speshul) about the "Truth" had a real bone to pick with
>> the "Secular Humanists". At the time I thought she was *just* nuts... but
>> since then I have come to realize that while she *was* nuts, she might have
>> known something.
>>
>> While *I* do ascribe to the same tenets ( from Wikipedia ... Humanism
>> embraces human reason <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason>,
>> ethics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics>,
>> social justice <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice> and
>> philosophical
>> naturalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_naturalism>,
>> whilst specifically rejecting religious
>> dogma<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma>,
>> supernaturalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernaturalism>,
>> pseudoscience <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience> or
>> superstition <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition> as the basis of
>> morality <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality> and decision making) I
>> find that many self-avowed Humanists are Jack-Humanists, discarding reason
>> and ethics and social justice when *their* convenience or comfort is on the
>> line.
>>
>> My point, vaguely, is that I think my enemy's (fundamentalist right-wing
>> whackos) enemies (overzealous, selfish, lazy, thoughtless goofballs hiding
>> under the trappings of progressive, liberal, and humanist thinking) are not
>> my friends either.
>>
>> Also from Wikipedia Secular
>> Humanism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism>:
>> *the humanist life stance emphasizes the unique responsibility facing
>> humanity and the ethical consequences of human decisions. Fundamental to
>> the concept of secular humanism is the strongly held viewpoint that
>> ideology—be it religious or political—must be thoroughly examined by each
>> individual and not simply accepted or rejected on faith*
>>
>> Too many of us treat our irreligion and even rational skepticism as if it
>> were faith itself. We mouth the words of thorough examination while
>> blindly following the herd of other skeptics and rationalists, etc.
>>
>> The failure in our self-enlightenment as a species or culture may be most
>> painfully evidenced in the places you point, but I'm afraid it runs through
>> us more completely. With very few exceptions, I feel we are *all* just
>> seeking a choir to join so that we can preach to ourselves.
>>
>> In that sense, your comment that "we are screwed, and we let it happen"
>> gets upgraded to "we are screwed and we are doing it to ourselves".
>>
>> Said another way, if all the religious screwballs got wiped off the
>> planet (or had an epiphany to our liking) tomorrow, we would only be
>> marginally better off. At best, I'd call i
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