Interesting point on Greece recently, via Italian language podcast (La Radio Ne Parla, RAI 1).
Italians flock to Greece for vacations. The east coast of Italy (Ancona area) has lots of ferries to get there. A weird problem popped up: the cash economy (which Italy shares). The banks have been limiting the amount of withdrawals. Apparently this includes ATMs. But travelers have to be able to get a fairly large amount of money out daily. So Greek retailers and restaurants are now accepting credit/debit cards. Thus the VAT, which is huge, is now easily collected if cards are used. Another side effect: because its a cash economy, robbery is apparently rising. Any tourist is likely to have several hundred euros. I really think Greece should stick with their "no" vote and simply stay in the EU, not EuroZone. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: > I wonder if altruism is more prevalent among women than men? It’s my > impression that this list is pretty heavily loaded with dorky, geeky guys > (speaking for myself :-). At least from an evolutionary standpoint, it > seems that we XYs may have less to gain by caring about anything but sowing > seed across the veldt, so to speak. Of course, even if that is true true, > we are a heck of a lot more complex than that, and altruism has evolved in > our species. Still, I wonder if it is more prevelant among women. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> So you think altruism is "odd"? I feel so sorry for you, Nick!! >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Nick Thompson < >> nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> Ahhhh. Now I see what this is all about. Thank you Gary. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems to me, oddly enough, that bitcoin has to do with our odd, >>> species-specific tendency toward [what evolutionary biologists call] >>> altruism. There are, of course tremendous non-zero sum gains that flow >>> for trust but he who trusts, always runs the risk of being cheated. And >>> people HATE to be cheated. I like the way your note threads its way >>> between these two tendencies. >>> >>> >>> >>> N >>> >>> >>> >>> Nicholas S. Thompson >>> >>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >>> >>> Clark University >>> >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle >>> Lefkoff >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:29 PM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >>> friam@redfish.com> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link >>> >>> >>> >>> Gary, attached is link to another good article about alternative >>> currencies. I personally wish that Greece were out of the EU--they won't >>> have a chance to recover otherwise. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Nice candid response, Gary. And I read with great interest your earlier >>> posts about Ecuador. >>> >>> The thing to pay attention to, I think, is that because of the global >>> failure of the structures in the present Bretton Woods system, some >>> outliers around the world are serious about delving into the idea of >>> alternative currencies for a new, more transparent, participatory economy >>> completely outside capitalism. There is a serious grass-roots movement in >>> Santa Fe around public banking, which may be even more interesting. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Gary Schiltz < >>> g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: >>> >>> Digital currency fascinates a lot of folks, including me. A lot of folks >>> also don’t trust it, including me. I have no reason that I can easily >>> articulate why I don’t trust it. Mostly, I think it’s because I don’t >>> understand it very well, and that, in turn, is because I haven’t put in the >>> effort. Or, perhaps it’s more that I don’t really understand the >>> implications of money, in general. It really is a most un-natural idea, >>> when you come right down to it. It’s just a token that represents >>> agreements among people within this other crazy thing that we have >>> invented, called government, that legislates a monopoly on the creation of >>> this un-natural substance (money). I’ve heard lots of horror stories about >>> hyperinflation in countries that start generating lots of money (I do know >>> that this is impossible with digital currency), and this in turn leads to >>> people not wanting to accept the currency, which feeds into some kind of >>> feedback loop until the whole thing (government, currency) comes crashing >>> down. So, unless people really understand this new thing (digital >>> currency), will they accept it? Will they trust it? I don’t know. >>> >>> >>> >>> Somewhat pertinent to the thread about Ecuador that I started a couple >>> of weeks ago, Ecuador is strongly pushing its own digital currency. It >>> claims that all of it will be backed in the central bank by American >>> dollars (which it adopted in 2000). As part of the legislation to introduce >>> its own digital currency, it also made it illegal to use any other digital >>> currency, e.g. Bitcoin. Some see it as a way of a backdoor exit from the >>> dollar. I have many unanswered questions myself, including whether the >>> software to generate manage the currency is open source, and if not, has >>> the government somehow added a back door for creating more. Here >>> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/ecuador-digital-currency-dollar-rafael-correa> >>> is one of many articles in English about this. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.coindesk.com/coin-center-bitcoin-advocacy-launch/# >>> <http://www.coindesk.com/coin-center-bitcoin-advocacy-launch/> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> >>> merlelefk...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>> skype: merlelefkoff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >>> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >>> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >>> skype: merlelefkoff >>> >>> ============================================================ >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. >> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy >> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA >> me...@emergentdiplomacy.org >> mobile: (303) 859-5609 >> skype: merlelefkoff >> >> ============================================================ >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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