Well, I wasn’t talking about Putin.  I’m talking about Thiel’s remark:

"[..] our education culminates with the knowledge that the broader education of 
the body politic has become a fool’s errand."

Whether Trump is really legitimate (in a deep way) or not isn’t just a question 
of undisturbed counting, it is whether voters care more about facts or their 
feelings.   Does our democracy really have any more grounding than Netflix 
suggesting new movies to watch?   Do people care more about unknowable 
intentions or knowable behaviors?  If we as a democracy make terrible choices, 
at some point Karma has to close the loop.   It seems to me that will be the 
next phase of things.  Trump is just the instrument.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 11:15 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is 
acting with respect to the truth?

Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his 
classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior?

Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we 
could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly that 
it seems unlikely a public accusation by Trump would do anything towards 
getting Putin to "learn there are consequences to things and stop doing those 
things." Does anyone think Obama's sending home a handful of diplomats did that?

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