“You probably think this song is about you”
— Carly Simon
--Barry
On 17 Jan 2017, at 15:28, Nick Thompson wrote:
Hi, Frank,
Isn’t that an example of itself?
“This book was written about me”.
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
<http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Wimberly
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The root of personality disorders
Yes, pathological narcissism starts during the first two years of
life. Hence the infantile symptomatology. But it can be aggravated
during adolescence, say, by the kinds of things
Jochen mentions. Heinz Kohut wrote a book on the etiology of the
pathology in a book called "Analysis of the Self". It is not about
self analysis.
It is almost impossible to read by lay persons, including yours truly.
It is full of language like "the hypercathexis of the narcissistic
libido". Also, people who read it often (mistakenly) start feeling
that they have the disorder.
Frank
Frank Wimberly
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On Jan 17, 2017 2:49 PM, "Joe Spinden" <j...@qri.us <mailto:j...@qri.us> >
wrote:
If you want to psychoanalyze Trump, you might start before he was sent
to the NYMA. I.e., WHY did his father send him there ?
-J
On 1/17/17 2:43 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
In 2011 there was a press conference where president Obama roasted
Trump and mocked about his competence. Trump was sitting in the
audience and didn't laugh. For a person with a narcissistic
personality disorder this must have been a traumatic experience. Maybe
this was the moment where he decided to take revenge no matter at what
cost? It starts at 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ohfN1_cjm5I
I think if we really want to understand him we have to go back a
little bit more. When Trump was 13, his father sent him to the NYMA
(New York Military Academy). It is a rigid school which values
discipline. He must have been very unhappy to be the only of 5
siblings to be there, to move from a rich house in Queens, NY, to this
impersonal and strict institution.
http://www.businessinsider.de/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12?op=1
I guess his personality must have been deformed by this humiliating
experience. Was this the moment when he decided to be selfish and
egoistic because his parents didn't care about him? At the core of his
personality you can probably still meet the lonely and insecure 13
year old that wants to be loved.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/decades-later-disagreement-over-young-trumps-military-academy-post/2016/01/09/907a67b2-b3e0-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html
They say narcissism can develop if a child gets too much or too little
attention. The young Donald apparently got too little love from his
parents, and he learned that he can be loved if he wins, pretends, or
pretends to win. Lies obviously have been helpful to get what he
wants, and from 13 to 18 no parents were there for him to guide him.
Is this how a personality order can develop, too little love in
childhood?
-J.
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