Glen -

Thanks for your analysis.

I suffer mightily on the axis of over-simplification to over-complication. I suffer it personally (making bad choices, mostly biased toward complification) and by proxy (suffering friends and colleagues who operate on some other region of that axes, often barely overlapping (in a fuzzy distribution kinda way)).

Once Trump was in and his shenanigans started coming home to roost on all of us (including the joke about Trumpsters shoothing themselves in the dick because liberals hate it so much) I quit talking politics with my Trumpsketeer friends. Some of it is simple embarrassment for them. When Trump was all promises (threats) and no action and even when his actions hadn't produced (negative nor positive) results, I felt inclined to debate the issues with them if only a little. Now that the obvious (and not so obvious) results are starting to hit the floor (like the proverbial "other shoe" but from a millipede, not a biped), I guess I recognize that I would be throwing good energy after bad to do so.

I DO occasionally debate (discuss?) with my friends/colleagues who I know not to be taken in in any way at all by the Donald and his Cronies, some of the unexpected consequences and some of the possible alternate paths to a brighter future that nobody in their right mind could have positioned us for as well as our Lunatic in Chief has.

I used to think of Trump as "a loose cannon on deck" and while I was (mildly) happy to see *some* of the junk on deck cleared off by his wild careening, I was worried about him snapping the masts, destroying the wheelhouse, hulling and then knocking all the lifeboats overboard, etc. I still worry a bit about all of that, but am finding him to be a much "lighter weight" cannon than I feared. He seems completely incapable of picking a good enough strategy to get ANYTHING he seeks and he doesn't have the followthrough to actually cash in on his occasional (accidental/blundering?) successes.

For example, does our Brinksman in Chief puffing his chest and waving his tiny fist at the Kleptocrat in Chief (Putin) and the WhackJob in Chief (Kim Jung Un) somehow set the stage for a global nuclear disarmament (or at least de-escalation)? We have been running on (n times over) MAD for many decades and we are finally faced with at least one MAD actor with nukes whose use of same would trigger not Mutual Destruction but Unilateral Destruction and Regional Disaster (wherever Kim Jung might hurl his one (or two) Nukes?) I'm pretty sure the Donald (with the support of the Joint Chiefs) wouldn't blink at the prospect of vaporizing the capitol and a few other choice locations with only the mildest concession for not immediately harming SoKo or Japanese or Chinese citizens. Kaesong and Sinuiju being likely exempt due to their proximity to these countries?

Another example is his rabid "tear down ObamaCare" leading us toward a confrontation where Medicare-for-All or another version of Single-Payer health care becomes inevitable?

And is his flat-earth Climate Denial scaring even those who believe in it but won't acknowledge it for their own personal/business greed interests? Might the torch for this movement move significantly out of Government hands? Will there be a huge backlash swing as soon as the Blue/Green folks can get control over the legislative branch again? Trump can cause a LOT of trouble in 4 years perhaps, but the backlash to his nonsense might very well recover greater than if he'd never mucked things up?

Reminds me of the trick when arm-wrestling someone who is well matched, of "pretending" to give way just a tiny bit and being able to overcome the opponents dynamic strength more effectively than their static strength. It has been noted that the previous 8 years trained the Republicans to be entirely reactive and obstructionist, and are now having a huge problem doing anything actually constructive (especially while watching their own back from the Trumpster and company).

I'm probably just singing my usual Pollyanna song here, but I guess I really like the tune!

- Steve


On 8/3/17 1:54 PM, glen ☣ wrote:
I'm inclined to call that articlet "fake news". 8^)  YouGov has a good rating 
with 538 (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/).  But I can't help but 
wonder about the one-sidedness of the articlet.  Why only include those 2 (or 7 ... or 8, 
or whatever it was) questions?  Where's the fine-print link to the poll and its analysis? 
 Maybe I missed it.  Etc.

Regardless, I have 2 reactions:  1) Excellent! The more the flat-earthers flock together 
and reinforce their batsh!t delusions, the more obvious it becomes to anyone how 
delusional they are.  Maybe they'll even go all "Heaven's Gate" and suffocate 
themselves from all the methane[†].  2) It's not so much self-defeating on the R's part 
as it is our (every one of us) inability to think about complex things.  I posit the 
tendency to trust Trump will correlate with the tendency to prefer oversimplification. 
[‡] But the same would apply to any chant you might hear at a liberal march/rally.  
Anyone who enjoys those stupid chants is enjoying oversimplification.



[†] https://youtu.be/BPC7e8W8u18
[‡] I feel the same way about "tl;dr" and people who overvalue the disgusting concept of 
'pithyness' and/or sayings like "brevity is the soul of wit".  No, it's an indicator of ADHD 
you aphorism-obsessed @#$%. >8^D

On 08/03/2017 12:23 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
The Economist sez:

We asked YouGov, a pollster, to survey 1,500 Americans about Donald Trump
and several national media outlets. When Republicans were asked whether
they trusted Mr Trump more than the New York Times, Washington Post or CNN,
70% sided with the president each time. Republicans now loathe these
outlets so much that nearly half would be glad to see unconstitutional
means used to silence them, writes our data team


https://goo.gl/Xmfqcr


I've wanted to know if Trump voters hang onto him after all the harm he's
done to them. Apparently they are like this tweet:
[image: Inline image 1]



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