Marcus,
To be honest, I have never seen what philosophy has to do with quantum mechanics. I agree with you that the idea of a real world outside experience is nonsense but I don't see how QM gets you there. Peirce held that all "objective" observation consist of guesses at what we all, the community of inquiry, will agree is real, after much discussion, in the very long run. So it's all experience, all the way down, except that "reality" is a sort of future experience. No dualism allowed. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 10:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" "Experiment after experiment has shown-defying common sense-that if we assume that the particles that make up ordinary objects have an objective, observer-independent existence, we get the wrong answers. The central lesson of quantum physics is clear: There are no public objects sitting out there in some preexisting space." For some reason, many scientists seem to believe that they are independent observers and not part of the physics they measure. If they can give that up, then things make more sense. Marcus _____ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:56:16 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] The Atlantic article on "the illusion of reality" This resonates with various Framework discussions. I think it's an area of interest to Nick. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/04/the-illusion-of-reality/ 479559/?utm_source=atlfb Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918
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