Nick - I'd say there is good news and bad news... but most likely mostly good news. (TLDR and TMI for most here):
Richard Lowenberg formed a group here in SFe some 10 years ago (nearly?) called "the FIRST Mile" to turn the language around. "Last Mile" leaves it to the industry to treat us like an afterthought... and while there is solid logic to building a network from the center out... it doesn't fit the logic that went into things like Rural Electrification and Telephony and even Cable Franchises, requiring corporate interests to service the more difficult and remote long before (if ever) they would have based entirely on market forces. I don't know "Radwin" but what you describe is roughly what the "La Canada" cooperative did for the South Santa Fe region (including El Dorado) some 15 or more years ago. I attended one of their board meetings about 7 years ago when my best (only?!) option coming from the San Ildefonso Pueblo (established with a Grant) shut down abruptly (not long after the Grant was over). I was trying to gather enough information and support to possibly form a similar non-profit for the Pojoaque Valley area which has notoriously bad coverage. I am looking into it again (with a little less naivete) because the Federal Grant service known as RediNet with phat fiber to our valley seems to finally be ready to receive a coop if we can get our act together. The good news is that what they are describing is generally quite doable, the only question is whether they can get enough customers, raise the capital for the primary infrastructure, and keep it operating long enough to get into the black. The same challenges I am seeing with a not-for-profit effort here... just without any need to make more $$ than it takes to operate viably. The bad news is not too bad. First, They can't be promising 0% oversubscription of bandwidth... that would be prohibitively expensive and excessive for the type of utilization a collection of (part-time?) homeowners would need. Their level of oversubscription (in theory and in reality) is what will make or break your real bandwidth. If I read you correctly they are offering 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up? I'm not sure what the range of oversubscription is, but I"ve heard on the order of 4x to 32x with the former being very rare and usually only during a startup phase before a service actually connects enough customers to begin to consume the bandwidth. My own service is commercial, using similar hardware (in our case, Ubiquiti) and I get mine beamed a solid 23 miles from Big Tesuque. I pay $70/month for 10/5Mbps (which I rarely see), including a $10/month lease of my receiving equipment (vs one-time of about $300) I have variable service and gaps in service based on (apparently?) wind and icing on the mountain (much more than your towers will likely ever see) and landline cable cuts between SFe&ABQ. If your guys are *commercial* then ultimately they may fall into the trap of trying to maximize profits which will ultimately marginalize services for you. Meanwhile I suspect they will outperform DSL (over old copper with oxidizing connection blocks on poles or underground) and cable (similar but also often not as pervasive as twisted pair phone lines). I also took a whirl at prototyping a "mesh" system designed to support third world ruralities with Voice over IP and Internet. I was trying to set up a network in La Puebla to serve a large handful of small farmers/horse-people who either had no service (no phone or cable wires to their property) or were unhappy with the quality of service they were getting and were (superficially?) willing to participate in a cooperative experiment with their neighbors. The basic units are called "Mesh Potatoes" (I forget the origin of Potato in this) and cost about $30 each. They are fundamentally 802.11 routers with two radios for "bridging" packaged in a weatherproof case, with a VOIP chip (so neighbors can pick up a simple phone handset and ring one another), and can therefore also receive external longer range (beam shaping) antennae to reach further in a given direction. Each house would have one of these and possibly one or more identical units acting as "repeaters" in between them and one or more other houses in the "mesh". They were designed to be easy to set up and cheap enough to swap out if there were a hardware failure. They run off of a wide range of low-voltage, making them ideal for solar powering, but the $30 units only come with a 110/220 wallwart requiring mains. Their draw is low enough though that you could probably hook one up in a vehicle and park it in a convenient spot without drawing the battery too badly. Most of the regions they are aimed at don't have mains nor vehicles, so batteries (intermittently charged or swapped) or solar are the most common. I DID have some technical difficulties, mostly in placing routers close enough to both power sources (mains) and amongst the participants, but the big thing was that in spite of being underserved, rural self-made types, I could tell very quickly that they all "just wanted a service that works" and weren't very cooperative when I started asking them for permission to install a directional antenna on the side of a barn or casita to reach a neighbor, or instructing them on how to reset the system if their neighbors were having trouble... They also wanted a minimum of Netflix Streaming without any buffering 99% of the time.... In a few cases I saw what they were wanting to replace (DSL providing Netflix Streaming with no buffering 90% of the time) and how unhappy they were and realized I was setting up another thankless role/task for myself. On the other end, the best way to get an uplink (or several redundant) was from the existing providers who were not willing to adjust their End User License Agreements to allow the kind of sharing implied... As awkward as it was for me trying to set all of this up, I realized it confronted *their* service model of one contract/bill/POC per household/family, even if half of the people I was working with *couldn't* access their current service (lack of infrastructure or even line of site to towers). My final goal was to help a friend from Kenya light up the series of villages along the western edge of the Rift Valley where he is from... he is an Olympic runner who came to Northern NM to train for the 04s and stayed... they feel lucky there if there is an elementary school within a 30 minute *run* from home... that is how he (and many Kenyans) apparently get started running... "running to school", forget "up hill both ways in the snow!" I doubt that the incumbents in your area will try to compete these guys out of business directly... they may be happy to have them picking up the "difficult to serve" clients. I also think that despite the downfalls of a commercial service that ultimately you will likely get better service... coops tend to depend heavily on dedicated volunteer help... members who are highly motivated and technical... who carry most of the weight (until they burn out or are replaced by fresh folks). In any case, congratulations and carry on! All that extra EM radiation may slow the mosquitos down for you? Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat! - Steve > There is a movement afoot to bring broad band to us here in the > mosquito infested bog. A group of locals is forming a for=profit > company to bring internet (25/3) to hundreds of subscribers in our > hilly, rural town. They will put 4 “Radwin” transmitters atop 150 > foot towers on two local hill tops with smaller repeaters as > necessary. The transmitters look for all the world like Mac > Powerbooks. Each house will have a waffle sized receiver. The plan > for 200 dollar initial buy-in cost and a one hundred dollar per month > subscription cost for UNLIMITED service at the advertised rate. (No > “up to”.) I now pay about a hundred dollars a month for a Verizon > jetpack which pays for only ten gigs of data. To stay within that > limit I have to turn off anything that moves on the internet, and go > to the local library to get podcasts, movies, or to update software, > or do a cloud backup. > > > > In short, I am enthusiastic about the idea. What’s wrong with it? > And if nothing is wrong with it, why haven’t all you Eldorado folks > done it already. Go ahead. Rain on my parade. I asked them if they > were afraid that Verizon would get religion and put in DSL at the last > moment just to put them out of business. Their response was that > local DSL service is so crappy that it probably wouldn’t make any > difference. They say their real competitor is Elon Musk who is > planning a vast satellite service that will light up everyone in the > universe > > > > I gather you have all been suffering gale force winds and duststorms. > Ugh. We, for our part, have had seven snowfalls since we got here. > (All minor, but still, relentlessly gray and chilly) The weather broke > this weekend and the garden is beginning to be populated. I hope the > equivalent break is happening for you. > > > > Miss you lots, > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. 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