As usual, embedded in your story lies our group identity which we might call 
"applied complexity". Well done!

On 1/15/19 9:29 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:
> Glen claims "antisocial" and I think Dave has mentioned his own "tendency to 
> withdraw from society" (my paraphrase, I welcome correction or elaboration.   
>  I hypothosize that *many* who are significantly engaged in online 
> discussion/community may well fit one of the myriad positions on (and near?) 
> the anti-social spectrum?
> 
> I personally prefer to consider myself to have "asocial tendencies".  I'm not 
> entirely uncomfortable in social groups, but I know I tend to prefer smaller 
> groups or sub-groups within a larger group, to the extreme of engaging mostly 
> in serial one-on-one conversations at dinner parties.  I tend to reserve the 
> term "anti-social" for something a bit more active in the sense of not only 
> avoiding engaging in social groups/activities, but being hostile (openly or 
> not) toward such groups.   I can admit to being somewhat judgemental about 
> large-group activities (attending pop culture events en-masse, including 
> political rallies and street protests), but more in the sense of "I wouldn't 
> be caught dead doing that!" rather than "anyone who participates in such 
> things are mindless idiots!"   I even accept that under the right 
> circumstances I have been known to participate.  I do attend small gathering 
> performances/readings/events and in most cases find their downside more about 
> the
> tedium than the actual content/experience itself.
> 
> My father (1927-2014) was a bit of a paradox on this topic.  He was born and 
> raised amongst his hillbilly relatives.  His father (my grandfather 
> (1898-1975) and grandmother(1899-1950) were the first of their generation to 
> get an advanced education (MS/BS degrees vs typically 8th grade) and escape 
> the day to day circumstances of their otherwise humble origins.   My 
> grandmother, despite education and living in a small city through her adult 
> life, never left her "mountain origins" while my grandfather fashioned 
> himself much more of a "modern man".   My own father spent his self aware 
> life in one of three uniforms, two in the service of the US Government.   The 
> first was in the Boy Scouts of America for his teen years.  The Second as a 
> recruit in the US Navy at the very end of WWII, not leaving dock until after 
> VJ day, spending his 3 years helping to clean up after the war in the 
> Pacific. The third was as an employee of the US Forest Service. His roots and 
> instincts were those of
> a very independent person who felt by some measure that every man was an 
> island, yet his practice was to find his place as an island as a member of an 
> Archipelago.    Half the allure of the Boy Scouts and of the US Forest 
> Service was his draw to spend time in the wilds... the other half seems to 
> have been to *also* have the sanction of the authority of a uniform and a set 
> of rules.   His stint in the Navy may have been the same.
> 
> Many of his anecdotes about both the USN and USFS involved him 
> recognizing/discovering/exercising  the distinction between blind observance 
> of rules and the recognition and pursuit of the spirit of the rules, and him 
> having ultimately prevailed over strict interpretations with common sense 
> actions in the spirit when not the letter of the regulations.  His proudest 
> moment may have been when his court martial was dismissed abruptly after 
> being charged for deriliction/AWOL during the Port Chicago disaster in 1944 
> where 320 Navy men were killed and a similar number were injured. He was a 
> medical aide/assistant on his ship which was docked near the disaster and 
> when the injured personnel began arriving, he reported for duty without being 
> called.  After several shifts of non-stop desperate work to do triage and 
> save the lives (and often limbs) of those harmed, he returned to his berth 
> only to be arrested for having not been available when they came to collect 
> him for duty in the
> emergency.  They apparently ignored or didn't believe his "alibi" and he went 
> through the whole formal process of being held for a court marshal which 
> fortunately was quite prompt and at least there, when he gave his account, 
> the "judge" recognized his earnest honesty and apparently he was not the 
> first or only one to be mis-charged/handled in this way.    There were at 
> least another dozen altercations of this style (if not gravity) in his career 
> in the USFS.  He seemed to trust implicitely that the system would ultimately 
> "do the right thing" and it didn't seem to bother him much that he could-be 
> mishandled while the "sheels of justice" turned. His USFS career involved a 
> huge amount of time in the field (forest), even during his mid-career stint 
> in middle management (District Ranger). It was as if he was simultaneously 
> addicted and allergic to the basic nature of organized systems of authority.
> 
> In the shadow of his addiction/allergy, I avoided uniforms entirely excepting 
> a few months in the BSA at his insistence.  I gave over to the shirt and 
> necktie but it all felt too much like being a member of the "hitler youth" to 
> me.  I was /institutionalized/ at LANL for 27 years with (too) many of the 
> same features.  In place of a uniform, I had a security clearance, a Z-number 
> and a Badge which came with their own egregious rule-sets and implied 
> authority and paradoxes.  During that time, my best work was done as the 
> de-facto leader of small teams (3-10).  Each time that de-facto leadership 
> lead to a formal leadership position, it eventually went bad, requiring me to 
> move on to fresh pastures. I made a couple of lame attempts at rising to 
> middle management but couldn't hold a straight face during the interview 
> process, knowing that I didn't respect many (if any?) of my would-be peers 
> and fearing that I was about to join them by way of the "Peter Principle".  
> My 27 year
> career at LANL consisted of patchwork of jobs like this ranging from 3-7 
> years in duration.  I was very relieved the day I decided to leave LANL 
> (2008) and shocked at how much MORE relieved I was the day I surrendered my 
> clearances (2010).
> 
> Outside of my institutionalization in BS (big science), I have often been 
> self-employed and entrepreneurial and generally fairly independent in my 
> work.   I always saw the benefits of working within an organizational context 
> to be "convenient" but suspect.


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