> I only kinda like it because I would prefer something like: emergence > exists when the post-map language has a different expressibility than the > pre-map language.
Surely not *simply* "different"? If the post-map language has strictly less expressibility than the pre-map language, does "emergence exist"? Well, maybe. What if (the extreme case) it has NO expressibility? Either of those would fit under that other proposed description, "phase transition", but (to me) the informal notion of "emergence" just can't include the extreme case, and probably shouldn't include the "strictly less" case (but maybe I could be argued out of that "shouldn't"). ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove