[sigh] Fine. We can change what I wrote from: "artifact = model absent the usage context" to "artifact = model in a non-modeling context"
The toy train isn't a useful example for this distinction. But a wooden sphere as a model for, say, a baseball, *is* a useful example. In the "sphere models baseball" context, "model" is properly used. But in another context, say, roll the wooden sphere down a ramp to measure gravity, the sphere is no longer a model and a word like "artifact" would be better when pointing to the sphere. It's very difficult for me to imagine you *not* already having thought of this yourself. So, by "listening generously", I would have expected you to understand my phrases like "absent it's contextual analogies" and such. I feel the same way about my description of how obtuse models can be useful. It's difficult for me to imagine you haven't *already* considered parallax and expressibility. And although I appreciate playing at being naive, or practicing the Socratic method, part of "listening generously" is to "steel man" others' conceptual constructs (as opposed to "straw man"). In these 2 recent episodes, you could easily have imagined and described to *me* how obtuse models *might* be found useful. And you could easily have changed "absent context" to "in a non-modeling context". On 1/16/20 8:59 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > I am not sure I understand what you say here. But I like the idea of > "listening generously" and I am trying to do it. I guess my problem in > understanding is that I don't think we perceive anything other than in a > context. Like the gorilla walking through the basketball game, we just don't > see it. I don't think it's possible to see Eric and not see him intending. > (or, say, sleeping). This may, in fact, be an argument in favor of your > position. I just haven't worked it out yet. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
