I think you were at Berkeley when he was Chairman of the Department.
N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 9:30 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games I did not know David Kresh. Did he say that? Very similar to what I said. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, May 30, 2020, 9:27 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > wrote: Frank, You also KNEW David Krech, right? If I say that {(0, 0), (1,0), (0,1)} is a right triangle, then that’s what a right triangle is (for my research) and there is nothing more to say about it. You have been spending too much time with mathematicians. Oh. Wait a minute. YOU ARE ONE! How could you not S spend lots of time with one? Even on my account, you have privileged access to the mind of a mathematician. Doesn’t every mathematical proof begin with Let X = [AFTISII] >From which it follows that: X = [AFTISII] At which point, Hywel says calmly, “Math is ok, but sometimes you need to know what you are talking about”. Where is Hywel when we need him. DARN! N Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 8:59 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games Excellent, Jon. On that basis, in answer to Nick's claim that I have never seen a right triangle, here's a classic one {(0, 0), (1,0), (0,1)} and here's a manifold {(x,y,z) in R^3: x*x+y*y+z*z = 1} where the open sets are the open sets of S^2. Note these are not physical objects. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, May 29, 2020, 11:17 AM Jon Zingale <jonzing...@gmail.com <mailto:jonzing...@gmail.com> > wrote: Frank, Steve, My favored approach is to say that space is like a manifold. For me, space is a thing and a manifold is an object. The former I can experience free from my models of it, I can continue to learn facts(?) about space not derived by deduction alone (consider Nick's posts on inductive and abductive reasoning). I concede here that we talk about an objectified space, but I am not intending to. I am using the term space as a place- holder for the thing I am physically moving about in. OTOH manifolds are fully objectified, they exist by virtue of their formality. Any meaningful question about a manifold itself is derived deductively from its construction. Neither in their own right are metaphors, the metaphor is created when we treat space as if it were a manifold. Just my two cents. At the beginning of MacLane's Geometrical Mechanics, (a book I have held many times, but never found an inexpensive copy to buy) MacLane opens his lecture's with 'The slogan is: Kinetic energy is a Riemann metric on configuration space'. What a baller. Glen, I love that you mention the <placeholder>, ultimately reducing the argument to a snowclone. Because the title of the thread actually implicates a discussion of metaphor, and because I may have missed your point about xyz, please allow me this question. Do you feel that snowclones are necessarily templates for making metaphors, or do you feel that a snowclone is somehow different? Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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