What about: genetics -> schizophrenia -> psychotic behavior -> shortened life -> fewer offspring
Note that I am asking not asserting. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > Glen, > > > > Notice, FWIW, that the original gen-phen distinction was understood to > forbid any information traveling from phen to gen. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2020 5:32 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] better simulating actual FriAM > > > > In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to > identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop > schizophrenia. Does that work for you? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't > love me anymore." https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o > > You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is > inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can > mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern > they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use > of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean > *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward > causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I > should start calling it the phen-gen map instead? > > On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction. I > bet Jon a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the > genotype/phenotype distinction. So. Who's your friend, here? > > -- > ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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