Literally it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading to the question who is “it?" _______________________
Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: > > I'm no grammar expert, even in my native English, but I don't believe "me > gusta el cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says "coffee pleases me". > Comments, Frank? But then, I may be confused about what passive voice is. > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM Angel Edward <edward.an...@gmail.com > <mailto:edward.an...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Isn’t it a consequence of the routine use of the passive voice in Spanish as > in “me gusta” instead of “yo gusto?” > > The passive voice is pretty much gone in textbooks but I occasionally I get > objections from Spanish speakers who claim my textbook can’t be serious > because I don’t use the passive voice. > > Ed > __________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com > <mailto:edward.an...@gmail.com> > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > >> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com >> <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: >> >> Despite living in a Spanish speaking country for 12 years, I still struggle >> mightily with Spanish grammar. This is mainly due to laziness on my part, as >> well as lack of necessity to immerse myself in the language (there are a lot >> of English speakers here, not to mention expat groups on Facebook in >> English). Still, Spanish is *so* much more consistent in all respects than >> English - pronunciation especially. But the reflexive verbs are still >> somewhat of a mystery to me. I've wondered exactly the same thing that Frank >> mentioned: does "the cup fell itself on me" and "the pencil broke itself on >> mf" represent desire to avoid responsibility? Maybe even blame the victim? >> Ouch! Your nose nearly broke my fist! >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com >> <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>> wrote: >> Or the equally famous Spanish phrase, "The pencil broke itself." A phrase >> which you think I would remember. >> TJ >> >> ============================================ >> Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com <mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com> >> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA >> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) >> NM Foundation for Open Government <http://nmfog.org/> >> Check out It's The People's Data >> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671> >> >> ============================================ >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> <> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com >> <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> In Spanish if you drop your cup you say, "See me cayó la taza". A literal >> word--for-word translation is "The cup fell itself on me". Some people say >> this is an effort to avoid responsibility. >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 9:01 AM Barry MacKichan <barry.mackic...@mackichan.com >> <mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>> wrote: >> Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us >> until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal >> programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming >> language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and >> encapsulation. >> >> —Barry >> >> On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, thompnicks...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Nah. He means more than that. Even ordinary languages predispose users to >> one kind of discourse or another. 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