An even bigger inhibition comes if how you are doing matters to me, and I would rather contribute to helping that than to dragging it down.
> On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > Nick, > > "I would hate it if some Good Government A-hole like me would start dictating > what could our not appear on FRIAM." > > A "government A-hole" is already there, albeit indirectly. All kinds of laws > against myriad different types of post. Plus, via tech puppets, vast swaths > of 'speech' / 'postings' are prohibited from appearing, even in "private" > fora such as FRIAM. And when rule 230 is essentially eliminated, it will get > much worse. Not to mention the excess prohibition of any type of "hurtful" > speech that will be coming in the months ahead — all prompted by government > A-holes legislating. > > But the biggest inhibition on what can or cannot appear on FRIAM arises from > the majority culture and the self-censorship of those sensitive to it. > > davew > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, at 5:40 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Right, Marcus. That's where I ended up, too. While I need to IMAGINE that >> you can understand me, in order to write some of what I write, the fact that >> you don't, in the short run, doesn't matter. The illusion of you >> attentively listening has broken many a writer's block. I would hate it if >> some Good Government A-hole like me would start dictating what could our not >> appear on FRIAM. >> >> You are in the unenviable position of agreeing with me. (};-\) >> >> However, I do wonder what some of those people would say if we were better >> at engaging them. >> >> Nick >> >> Nick Thompson >> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,bta9UWO0tN3h5jdaTwk3lVb6V2StIFgDn8R4YlJvylk2j2NV0QTwoEqVLuV_SiMM-GgMLLo5VNi8CE0-zKlFovQfSZlSC0MwI0seCIAWDLo,&typo=1&ancr_add=1> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> >> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:03 PM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com >> <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms >> >> >> I'm not sure who you are accusing of what, and it doesn't matter. Fwiw, I >> suppose I follow a few underlying principles by default, unless I am being >> paid or whatnot: >> >> 1) If someone is motivated to make a point or understand some topic, as >> there was some indication in some cases, then if some muttering is alien to >> them, they'll bother to puzzle it out or ask without being petulant about it. >> >> 2) The burden is not on the speaker/sharer unless the speaker especially >> cares that the topic be understood and perhaps acted upon. Say, if the >> speaker is engaging in political advocacy, or defending some claim where >> they have some skin in the game. >> >> 3) Electrons are cheap to move around and attention can be modulated. >> >> Marcus >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> >> On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 11:03 AM >> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com >> <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms >> >> Well, generally that is the paradox. But the narcissism I am talking about >> is INTRA group narcissism -- writing a post that one knows damn well only 2 >> members of the group will understand. We are a sufficiently broad group >> that I imagine that if we developed a language understood by most of us, it >> would also be understood by a lot of other people. >> >> But there is value to narcissism that might be lost if we tried to >> standardize. That you all understand me is an illusion that helps me to >> write, and when I write, thoughts happen that I did not plan on happening. >> Even if NONE of you understood, that would be a gain for me. I think many >> of us write to the list in this delusional way, and I can't claim that >> that's altogether a Bad Thing. >> >> Nick >> >> Nick Thompson >> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,ESdb80SJH_TwaTmvG9Uk5oZhrH-1Bhnrw7bS0eoiFMmvuv2zb7fbD06amSmSye5OF2rkvWZJEgpzLcIMjr_XZQXhsR76-FhwrdsNK0m5_Fy2&typo=1> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> >> On Behalf Of u?l? ??? >> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:46 PM >> To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms >> >> IDK, man. This contribution rings a bit hollow. Jargon, insider jokes and >> words, etc. all serve group cohesion. Coming from Nick, who sporadically >> talks of FriAM as important *as a group*, including attempts to formulate >> some threads as coherent presentable things, it seems good, >> generalized/popularized, communication is antithetic. >> >> But it *does* bode well for treating forum posts as public essays rather >> than intra-group chatting ... which I've argued is the case. A flaw in my >> argument, that those who disagree with me have yet to point out, is that >> despite being publicly available on Nabble, it's not really a public forum. >> It's not widely read. We *do* use obComplexity jargon just to titillate each >> other. Etc. Perhaps the biggest obstacle to viewing these posts as public >> essays is that we don't have a standard set of rules (like Frank's) posts >> are expected to follow. >> >> So, the classical mathetists among us will argue that you can't have your >> cake and eat it. Either we're a group of insiders, a tribe, or this is a >> publication medium which should have some associated rules. Perhaps that's >> the paradox Nick's after? >> >> On 1/26/21 10:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > This correspondence has been an example of it self. Narcissism is the >> > enemy of communication. >> > >> > I suppose there is SOME sense in putting obscurities in email blasts to >> > the list and clasping to your bosom anybody who happens to understand you. >> > (I did that with my recent supervenience post and got one answer that was >> > tremendously helpful) It’s like hitchhiking, then; you only need one >> > ride. But while it makes some sense, as a general strategy of >> > communication, isn’t it a bit pathetic, after all? 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