All
This is going off topic in a hurry. Sure no public bathrooms in Santa Fe
has been a problem for years. Should the city use its wealth, if it has
any to spare, to build some? Are we saying in principle wealth should be
used to help the disadvantaged (small bladders)? Isn't the problem, what
system of wealth distribution should we adopt as a society in an effort
to make us 'civilized'. Do we want to be more civilized - whatever that
means?
Robert C
PS Let's not get into a discussion of the differences between bathrooms,
restrooms, toilets, lavatories, WCs, bogs, outhouses, pit-stops, the
gents, the ladies, powder rooms, etc.) R
On 3/15/21 1:12 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
:( yeah. Exactly. In that specific example. Maan I can't count the
number of times when I was still in hiking shape, doing short hikes,
or walking to downtown, how often in summers after drinking water
along the way. I'd need to find a bathroom.Elderly, Kids, hell just
about anyone with blader or just wanting to freshen up some. But as
much as at confuses me. Like you say, society has some issues.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:56 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com
<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
People here complain about homeless people relieving themselves in
the streets. The solution seems so simple, especially in the
city: Builds more public bathrooms. Duh. One small example of
how unreasonably ruthless our society has become.
*From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Gillian Densmore
*Sent:* Monday, March 15, 2021 11:09 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
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*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?
Marcus. what a load. Let me tell you something. I am bairly
scraping by. it's only because of luck I am not on the streets or
someones home. people that are retired and working, arguably,
that's theft. people that still have to pay off a morgage, or rent
or what ever else to actually F'n live. Do have to have money.
just the reality of things. Liking other stuff? yeah that's
great. But until such time as we get our collective heads of our
asses and admit that burn and churn boomer level stuff of making
your work your life, when now: anyone under 80 or 60 actually
enjoy or want to make work their life? me either. I for one need
work, so as that I for one can actually live and afford things.
Its great people on this list take forgranted how god awful it is
to choose between a full tank of gas and healthy eating or going
out with a cute babe. I have to make that choice. It fucking
sucks, it reely does. I have been hit with age-ism. Sexism, yeah,
turns out a lot of places won't hire men, because they think cute
girls being the face of a company meens more horny ass teens or
what ever their marketing dweebs have gaslighted them into
thinking. That meens they will get more people to squander money
on stuff.
Sorry/not sorry. Just about every place, every article ever. says
that the true cost of living most places in the use has vastly
outpaced what anyone makes.
SantaFe anyone actually live here long? nope. Why: the cost of
fucking living! People pile ontop of eachother, heart rending
stories of people having to work 3 and 4 fucking jobs even at
above slave-wage levels at underemployment. Cost of living is the
corossive beating vile toxic slime at the top 10 problems.
Great that people are independently wealthy, can afford 99 cars,
turn around and whine about how they don't autodrive, or what
ever. I think that is fantastic! for the rest of us: I have
aghettotastic jellopy. It's white anyone here seen me at wedteck?
see that old ass car. yeah I have to keep it working for a while
despite it's mechanicle quirks.
Greed and Malice is another side to wealth. Anyone think it's
especially great we worship the wanker dweebs called CEO's wo are
making 200% proffifts while an estimated 70% of americans up to
2019 were underemployed? me either.
All that is also directly tied to cost of living. I am
seriusly looking to move because my 36 month long plan: get a job,
get health. and with any luck meet someone very very amazing. I
want her to never wory about anything I'd be a stay at home
father. At least that's ideal dream! lol. Either way when that
warm kind amazing special person wants to be in my life. what do
you think will be in the top 10 or even 15 things to come up a
lot: how do afford X, who do we talk to about y how do invest in
AwesomeCompany to have a bad ass investment portfolio?
All that, to deel with the pure stupidity of cost of living. Well
that and it's just a good idea to have solid investments.
Part of the costs of living is hitting americans for no good
reason now to. Inusrance. why do not have a NHS like, um bassicly
every other country? I don't know. but. after you get laid off
because of a virus. No insurance and that's a stupidly high cost.
that adds to the costs of living.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:50 AM Marcus Daniels
<mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
I don’t find the cost of living argument so convincing. If
one can accumulate wealth and retire or work remotely, it is
possible to get the benefits of a low cost of living while
still having a high income. However, what’s unsaid, is that
people do value other things, like being in the vicinity of
their friends and family. Also in the U.S., especially,
what we value is a political football. If half a million
people die of COVID-19, that can be defined away in the name
of jobs. Or the economy can be equated with the markets,
etc. How much terror and suffering is enough to make one
doubt ones definition of wealth?
*From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Robert J.
Cordingley
*Sent:* Saturday, March 13, 2021 6:44 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>; Merle Lefkoff
<merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] What is Wealth for?
Steve
If you are taking a poll...
For starters on what wealth might mean economically, it might
be useful to understand the cost of living and purchasing
power by country
<https://www.worlddata.info/cost-of-living.php>. Is 'wealthy'
some factor based on a ratio of income over cost of living?
I don't know how you would measure cultural wealth and how
colonialism played a part in its accumulation via subjugation.
There must be other categories of wealth; spiritual wealth,
artistic wealth, land ownership, public wealth, private
wealth, etc.. How would native Americans and other indigenous
population discuss the concept?
At the excessive levels of the ultra-rich (Besos and co),
wealth is for giving away for perhaps some altruistic purpose.
Cynically, some might see this as a way for making amends for
all the transgressions committed on the way?
More commonly wealth is accumulated to help the next
generation in one's family regardless of culture and
purchasing power?
Robert C.
On 3/12/21 7:24 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Can we please start with how we define "wealth." Please.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 12:31 PM Steve Smith
<sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:
Tangenting off of the Great Man discussion, I would
like to solicit a
discussion on "What is Wealth for". I believe we
have attended to this
on the side many times (I remember a vFriam where it
was declared that
"Billionaires are Assholes, but Millionaires aren't
(necessarily)"?
Each of our Great (Wo)Men on the snark/not-snark list
share one thing in
common, Wealth. I'd be interested to hear others
riff a little more on
their taxonomies of "what is Wealth for?"
- Steve
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