I know I run the risk of responses like "it's Pollyanna, oh sorry I mean Pieter, again", but I'll take the risk and share the link with the speculation about technological progress with mRNA vaccines that will end pandemics like covid. https://reason.com/video/2021/05/06/why-covid-19-may-be-the-last-pandemic/
On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 22:34, <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Peiter, > > > > At 83, we are fully vaccinated, and although we have changed our behavior > very little, we breath easier. You have that to look forward to. > > > > Nic > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp > *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 2:24 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc > > > > * is it true that the matter simply stands with the Hah-vud studies > retracted, and nothing more said? That doesn’t seem right.* > > > > I just don't know. > > I speculated that the topic was just way too politicized to get to the > bottom of it without spending serious time and effort on it and I chose not > to do that. > > On a personal note, we don't yet have vaccinations in South Africa, my > wife and I are each having daily doses of Quercetin, a natural > over-the-counter version of Hydroxychloroquine, and vitamin D and Zinc and > a couple of other immune boosters too. > > > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 21:46, <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Pieter, > > > > Interesting. As somebody who has followed the research, is it true that > the matter simply stands with the Hah-vud studies retracted, and nothing > more said? That doesn’t seem right. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp > *Sent:* Thursday, May 6, 2021 1:12 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc > > > > I'm not particularly fond of Donald Trump, but the elephant in the room is > that Hydroxychloroquine became well-known after Trump advocated it. At the > time I followed and researched it a bit and I came to the conclusion that > both the mainstream media and the medical industry were against > Hydroxychloroquine mainly because Trump actively advocated it. The Lancet > saga certainly did not influence me to change that conclusion. > > > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 19:52, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This does not seem interesting to me. The vaccines have been demonstrated > to be effective and safe to very large degrees based on many millions of > inoculations. Why should I care about some suspect studies with small n. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Thu, May 6, 2021, 11:33 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Phellow Phriammers, > > > > I have noted that most of what I have written here of late has been > ignored, and that’s ok, actually. Usually, it is the possibility that you > MIGHT read what I write that keeps me writing and, behaviorist to the last, > writing is what I need to do in order to think. > > > > But this situation is different. I really don’t know what to think about > Pavlovic’s <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragan-Pavlovic-4> > paper. There may have been some trouble with the cloud version, so I have > attached it to this message. > > > > So, this is a case where I really need some help. I realize that you are > all engaged in this excellent correspondence about UBI, which has revealed > all sorts of “-ists” that I never thought were alive and well in the world, > let alone in this group. I would not interfere with that for a second. > But, could a few of you take a look at his paper > <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV> (very short, > a commentary, actually). I think he is actually a candidate for this > group. He is an MD, Phd, anaesthesiologist, retired in Paris, who has > participated in hundreds of scientific papers, who is passionate ( I > worry, perhaps sometimes a bit too passionate) about dozens of different > things and suspicious of everything. He wants, for instance, to dig a > gigantic tunnel to bring large ships directly from the danube to the > Mediterranean. > > > > I, of course, live in a bubble, but I don’t like to have that fact thrust > in my face as powerfully as when he reveals to me that the two HAAA=VUD > papers denouncing Chloquoroquine were retracted a year ago, and I never > found out. I can’t get any sense of whether there has been any attempt to > revive them or to redo the original clinical study that suggested HCQ’s > efficacy against CoVid. > > > > Any little bit of help you could give me would be great. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* thompnicks...@gmail.com <thompnicks...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:48 PM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > friam@redfish.com> > *Cc:* 'Prof David West' <profw...@fastmail.fm> > *Subject:* Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > I attach a paper > <https://1drv.ms/w/s!AptIKbsAd7gjllccpq9yXXQ4hb2N?e=HCzjaV> written by an > internet acquaintance I made some years back, Dragan Pavlovic. I am > sending it along for two reasons. First, it reveals (to me, at least) that > the two negative studies on Hydroxychloroquine use in SARS-CoVid-19 > treatment were based on unverified data and were withdrawn by their authors > almost immediately. (Have the rest of you known this for the last year and > not told me? I cannot believe, after we pilloried poor Dave for advocating > for it, that he has not gloated about it. ) Second, Pavlovic raises the > intension/extension distinction in the context of the interpretation of > scientific results and also questions Randomized Control Trials as the > "Gold Standard" for discovery. Thus, I think he is a kindred spirit, being > a bit of a grumpy contrarian like many of us here. I have promised to > forward any comments you make to him, so be polite but speak truth. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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