Very good material to work though, Glen, thank you, I remember reading Walden for the first time when I was somewhat young, but not super-young, and thinking “Thoreau, you’re an idiot (or better said, a loudmouth)”.
Walk into town to buy a new axe-head every time the material on your old one is worn far enough down that you can’t sharpen it any more. Go re-invent iron smelting and then write about it. Interestingly, within the past 12 hours, somebody sent me a link to a talk Nora Bateson gave in Copenhagen about a documentary she made of her father and the “ecology of mind” thing: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8lA8jsQkNw <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8lA8jsQkNw> ) I haec no history with this stuff, and her sort-of self-congratulatory affect puts me off (or maybe I just wrongly read that into the face of somebody I don’t know at all). But the theme that one wants to perceive things heavily in terms of their relations seems like a hard thing to object to. It’s funny, now that I am surrounded on one hand by category theorists, and on the other by meditators, that I can parse the same conversation as being about two rather different things. Eric > On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:23 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I couldn't find it earlier, but now I have: > > What I learned from an unlikely friendship with an anti-masker > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2flifeandstyle%2f2021%2faug%2f19%2fanti-masker-unlikely-friendship&c=E,1,GApCWomC4MnHKQ3-4O79s-zNaaL9x2lWWqXeTwvE2W35KWgALOkLBfSvMg4DaqE9vIy2VgKmRm5uYyS2gT6iKOZRCgmeIrLF-aU1Wu3rLvnkYmEcqUA,&typo=1 > > It's that article that made me think about the relationship between > weaponized interdependence and fascism seething underneath a functionally > equivalent phenotype. In Pandian's article, his friend "Frank" says: “I’m > good with dividing the country," Frank declares. "One side gets the west and > one side gets the east. We are self-sufficient. Your side is not." The key > lies in that interdependence. One of the dominant themes amongst the "free > speech" crowd, complaining about weaponized interdependence, is their > blindness to the benefits of interdependence. > > Most of the "preppers" I've met will claim up and down they're not racist, or > anti-government, or blahblah. They claim to just want to be self-sufficient, > which is laughable to a dork like me who knows the logistics behind the tools > and weapons they think make them independent. Are you really going off grid > if you're using tech developed in China or by the US funding agencies? But > therein lies evidence we're using leaky vaccines ... facilitating the > functionally neutral, seething fascism. > > In the end, the emergence of things like QAnon, the Stop the Steal attack, > etc. is one side *failing* to weaponize extant interdependence. Forget issues > like Twitter suspending Trump or the Taliban. Think more like competent gun > control and *universal* healthcare. Those networks are not being weaponized > to good effect. > > On 8/20/21 6:24 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> This seems relevant: >> >> Weaponized Interdependence: How Global Economic Networks Shape State Coercion >> https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/42/12237/Weaponized-Interdependence-How-Global-Economic >> >> Two other things that seems relevant, particularly to the quorum sensing >> conception, are latent variables in causal inference and neutral networks in >> evolution. Rebecca's recent video essay on leaky vaccines may also ring some >> bells: https://youtu.be/_J-zWtoG9ZM, which seems akin to the relationship >> between disinfectants and hospital super bugs. >> >> >> On 8/19/21 10:52 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >>> Thanks Steve, >>> >>> I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy. Marcus is right; >>> what must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in jail for >>> not really anything seemed like a good idea? >>> >>> Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning >>> signals”, using analysis of the magnitude-frequency distributions of >>> collective fluctuations to predict “tipping points”. We hear about Rosa >>> Parks. We don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long string of >>> events that preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa Parks and made >>> the event she precipitated possible. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com >>>> <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> EricS >>>>> >>>>> Fascist Quorum Sensing >>>> >>>> When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief >>>> connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference it, though more >>>> specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice. Having once been a holder >>>> of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that level/style of clearance >>>> would give him the kind of insider information attributed to him/her/them >>>> was absurd. Some of the other clearances, *maybe*, but not obviously the >>>> 'Q'. >>>> >>>> The news today with the lame-O-bomber wannabe kicked off another round of >>>> DHS/domestic-terror-watch warnings that another "quorum" is trying to rise >>>> up. The (liberal) news media is giving lip-service to not "amplifying" >>>> his signal, etc. >>>> >>>> Seems like something similar (but not responsibly scientific) about how >>>> the Taliban was able to flip the whole country almost overnight is afoot. >>>> >>>> - SteveS >>>> >>>>> >>>>> (For those who don’t do this for a living, the reference is to the >>>>> phenomenon in bacteria like Anthrax (B. anthracis), which will multiply >>>>> inside a victim for many generations with no real chemical activity >>>>> besides a normal parasitic metabolism, but will secrete signaling >>>>> chemicals. When those chemicals hit a threshold concentration because >>>>> the population has multiplied enough, which the bacteria all know because >>>>> they all have the same genome, they switch state, turn on the chemical >>>>> attack machinery, and dissolve the victim on a timescale far too short >>>>> for any inflammatory or immune response to do much about them.) >>>>> >>>>> Google does not show anyone as having used it yet, even though it is a >>>>> no-brainer. >>>>> >>>>> The idea being to say something productive about the abruptness of it >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> From Gingrich and Norquist up through end-2020, the right thought its >>>>> best strategy was to do the usual dissembling and dogwhistling, just at >>>>> higher intensity. Something has switched and they think this >>>>> —specifically — is the time to make a run for it and to parade the >>>>> fascism instead. >>>>> >>>>> While the strategic-games crowd (and military people etc.) will say they >>>>> have long written about shifting modes, the idea that there can be an >>>>> unplanned component at the popular level akin to quorum sensing might >>>>> have something to be said of it. >>>>> >>>>> Even on the question of whether trump mattered, I can see a sort of SFI >>>>> angle on it, with the idea of “slow timescale variables” that Jessica >>>>> Flack makes central to the rubric that for a while (perhaps still) she >>>>> was calling “construction dynamics”. The idea that a sort of >>>>> order-parameter stuck thing can smooth out fluctuations and make an >>>>> inference problem easier and more stable, or a transition in domains more >>>>> likely. Here the fast variables would have been the Lindsay Graham >>>>> characters, who flutter like day-traders among all possible positions, >>>>> trying to guess from minute to minute what is safe. Those guys would not >>>>> have put Steven Miller’s face on TV, because they would have judged that >>>>> he was too ugly to use. >>>>> >>>>> Enter trump, whose 2024 motto can be “The Worse, The Better”, who said “I >>>>> can make ugly work.” But it didn’t change the system state in a few >>>>> months, or even in a year. The flutterers took years of reassurance, and >>>>> a couple of election cycles, before they switched from the lysogenic to >>>>> the lytic phase. Without trump as a slow variable, would the flutterers >>>>> have continued to flutter a while longer? Can one say anything about >>>>> that that has any scientific worth, and isn’t just firing off buzzwords? >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>>>>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an adjuvant in >>>>>> a vaccine. Just having the antigen leaves room for highly variable >>>>>> responses, because if you don’t manage the inflammatory response that >>>>>> initiates the immune response, you have only a weak control system. >>>>>> Trump was so awful in so many dimensions that he triggers inflammation >>>>>> in those who would have remained asleep under Clinton.” >>>>>> >>>>>> The mask protests like this one.. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn> >>>>>> >>>>>> ..strike me as something that M. Night Shyamalan could not even invent. >>>>>> Say the guy at 1:40. >>>>>> I should be thinking of these folks as my fellow citizens? Really? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it just me or is maybe the “inflammation” getting a little out of >>>>>> control? For example, >>>>>> the other day I was driving down a narrow part of the road in my >>>>>> residential area and pulled off to the side to let a car pass that was >>>>>> coming the other way. He (white middle-aged man) was not signaling, >>>>>> but as soon as I spent five seconds off the side to let him pass he >>>>>> started screaming at me and waving his fist out the car window. >>>>>> Apparently I had dared to block his driveway. Is it really that hard >>>>>> for some people to get through their day? >>>>>> >>>>>> It increasingly seems to me that maybe there is just all this crazy just >>>>>> below the surface, and all that can be done is to keep the inflammation >>>>>> down. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcus > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,VFGFMwhMoXtWaEnw8J-8SGyUnvXOmdkWZqyKy4a3EV87ev45mMHnsA1SWHQHmXrYvjJVlQBJ4go2L39FMrwX2J2wla74SWGb8F_Io0xzKIz3Lw,,&typo=1 > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,Vj-NKCduO-a_egE4RnXhFKwPd4343JSMmW59_WySSUuJyvTmOMs6gE3QGS_hDrlC4UtxYUZ5jTtJr8Tb2OMcL3HquHqr-cdoT4wf48OeJPRTgw,,&typo=1 > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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