I think about as opposite to nugatory as one could get. Wu wei more like having an affect “get itself done” without making a big noise about doing it. A kind of more efficient getting-done by avoiding the distractions of self-conscious effort.
> On Oct 3, 2021, at 11:35 PM, <thompnicks...@gmail.com> > <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Speaking of words, I thought wuwei was interesting. It seems to mean > “nugatory”. > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,Ij17EYApMiN8t3Mmm9A7FtYZSJny8GYj9KJi_9qFqDW4BDng44ZCdRAOmpvMEA5Q9uwiAmvtySRt-GnlSnYsf-KeTfd3USCVj_1TxO26yKweInDWGpYgu3ME&typo=1> > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of Stephen Guerin > Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 4:02 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com > <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM <thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Just to be clear – and perhaps nerdishly literal minded – I would NEVER >> claim that word play alone is science; I would only claim that it has a role >> to play. >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:59 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> You might help me distinguish between vicious DAWW and virtuous DAWW. You >>> might exile me. But you probably won’t get me to stop. >> >> If we follow the virtuous DAWW, it feels like wuwei >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mdbg.net%2fchinese%2fdictionary%3fwdqb%3dc%253A%252A%25E6%2597%25A0%25E4%25B8%25BA%252A%26wdrst%3d0&c=E,1,6NKjr0rPrQHfEug3lJFE3AHXuMSXXv2QKNN952DgM7cmiyEWDf3OtLL5oQZT5HU0EP29GkU3REwYBagPNmq31arungH_cMB6hCf8P-aAMVoRjw,,&typo=1>science >> to me. Who needs action <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)> >> when you got words? We are but meat puppets playing with nirvana >> <https://youtu.be/Sj8UbmdV7bk?t=53>. >> > Nick, I absolutely see the value in wordplay (DAWW) and do think it's an > important part of science and mathematics. > > I was being perhaps a little too clever in my own mind with my obtuse DAWW > riff above. At the risk of over parsing (like the risk of explaining a joke) > virtuous DAWW triggered the homophone of the Dao (道) and its central concept > of wu-wei, which is often inaccurately translated as inaction but closer to > right action / Least (stationary) action in physics for me. > > This then triggered lyrics of one of my favorite songs, Plateau > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgenius.com%2fNirvana-plateau-lyrics&c=E,1,2GvrTw2WSWTx3IBxVEZqG4474T11-mOLxHb7QY2TXHAU3HYY9bbbKyp4azluFWNnZcUNIOYLn8JBvV_v1NxxzW0KtwlH-reMefytYkKPiQ8RD0rLoHfAQA,,&typo=1> > from the Meat Puppets, "who needs action when you got words". To me, the > line captures your and my relationship where I'm struggling with generalizing > the concept of Action in Complex Systems and you are working your thoughts > out with words. I find this a healthy dialogue! > > And then I couldn't resist sharing the MTV unplugged concert where Nirvana > covered the Meat Puppets song with one of the Meat Puppets playing on stage. > The link to Youtube is to that line in the song in the performance. So the > literal Meat Puppet playing with Nivana mutated to "we are but meat puppets > playing with Nirvana" gave me 15 minutes of interesting private contemplation > of a puppet master animating our puppets and wooing our puppet minds with > Nirvana. > > Certainly too obtuse of references and self-indulgent to post but what the > hell. > > So I really do appreciate your DAWW and was just trying to join in and play > with your dicking. :-) > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > un/subscribe > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,0hKg5nNVyMTwZ28Wq23pfo2xzn0L2FgLm2_aY_hfIXMUUAx6KpTUfo-YKuozVt1lb8EJjA7X87fFBzd8aFdoX01AOYNmoTXPY_-xdc7K1PnuBTnFm_IF7fLbsTY,&typo=1 > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,0hKg5nNVyMTwZ28Wq23pfo2xzn0L2FgLm2_aY_hfIXMUUAx6KpTUfo-YKuozVt1lb8EJjA7X87fFBzd8aFdoX01AOYNmoTXPY_-xdc7K1PnuBTnFm_IF7fLbsTY,&typo=1> > FRIAM-COMIC > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,otdM3mXOTQrtX5ZdHAOTv1aTVkvix2uYZwVPj-M3-6CnImVf72qiapEwMPwaZzSfFfMrNZHl0ONjHZ5anf0b0Fz_3Lj17sg3wMvOvdJX&typo=1 > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,otdM3mXOTQrtX5ZdHAOTv1aTVkvix2uYZwVPj-M3-6CnImVf72qiapEwMPwaZzSfFfMrNZHl0ONjHZ5anf0b0Fz_3Lj17sg3wMvOvdJX&typo=1> > archives: > 5/2017 thru present > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,7ryShH4Oc4UvybtcosWxg-8kjjzAKC_m-Pgh_LMM1mEnYb4ZBGeSOf3MsRyMzqW_dw3cG-7viPfnObnLOXMl6OO7mElUVJewYr9PX7DBbM8O3K5dfA,,&typo=1 > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fpipermail%2ffriam_redfish.com%2f&c=E,1,7ryShH4Oc4UvybtcosWxg-8kjjzAKC_m-Pgh_LMM1mEnYb4ZBGeSOf3MsRyMzqW_dw3cG-7viPfnObnLOXMl6OO7mElUVJewYr9PX7DBbM8O3K5dfA,,&typo=1> > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/>
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