Hi, Glen, 

It was quite clear that CHAOS was a much more "powerful" program, but I got an 
error message when I went to download it, and about that time Steve's message 
came in.  Miles has some passing familiarity with NetLogo and I don't think we 
need the power to demonstrate the essential point that a process can be fated 
to come out in a particular way even tho' none of the participants has any idea 
of what that fate is.  How Sophocles-esque!  But we do have the "Behe Problem". 
 How does natural selection select for the genes that make the fate when the 
fate is a non-linear consequence of the genes.  I suppose somebody has tried to 
select for different patterns as an outcome in a Net Logo model and see if 
selection could somehow dig down to the eight "genes" that make up the model.   
I used to think I understood how this was possible, but right now it seems like 
a hot potato again.

Maybe CHAOS would let me try that experiment.

Nick 

Nick Thompson
thompnicks...@gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

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From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thread Bust: WAS: stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] 
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Here's a kitchen sink program. I downloaded and tested it. 

https://softology.com.au/voc.htm


Here's the results of my test for rule 30:

https://youtu.be/sG-XZBta20M

The highlighted rows in the middle were used to generate the horizontal banner 
at the bottom, which makes MIDI music out of that region. I didn't include the 
audio in the video.

On 10/24/21 10:37 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
> Perhaps you are the person to answer this question:  I have snared both of my 
> grandchildren in CA #30, the -son because he is interested in pattern 
> formation in regenerating planaria and the -daughter because she likes really 
> neat stuff.  I would like to give them simple programs so they could generate 
> any one of the 256 rules and see the consequences of them.   I thought I 
> would find several readily at hand, but what I did was a serious of sites 
> which schooled me to write such a program myself.  I am too old for that.  Do 
> you know of any I could email to my -children?  It is the first time in years 
> that I have actually caught their fancy with something, so it would really 
> make me happy.

-- 
"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
☤>$ uǝlƃ


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