Invoking Jesus.. Jesus, what desperation to protect this claim! From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursing_the_fig_tree --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:07 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com<mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: Apparently even Jesus was narcissistic. He was hungry when he saw a fig tree. Upon discovering that it had no fruit he zapped it so that it would never produce fruit. Or something like that. Any Bible scholars out there? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 1:02 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Hah, what was that you said about everyone being narcissistic? (I’m not so sure it is so.) From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:57 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the participants will read these conversations? If you're referring to your hope that scholarly papers will emerge from this material won't that involve extensive review and editing? Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 12:19 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Maybe recess and grade school sports are like a lab experiment for parents and teachers and they gain valuable insights (assuming it is not just sadistic)? I have no fond memories of T ball, more like PTSD! And dodge ball (sanctioned) set the stage for literal target practice on the weird kids. This is not as overt in adult life but still there.. On Oct 27, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com<mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: When a grown person says it, it's playful. When those little people on the playground say it, it's full of derision and crying sometimes follows. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 11:40 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: Frank, Well, hang on there, big fella. “Scorn” is a bridge too far. As somebody famous once said, “I know my own intent.” I meant only to suggest – humorously, I hoped – that Glen and I had already entered the domain of play ground taunt with his … . But social contracts are only one, very debatable, construction for "inalienable rights". Just because it makes the most sense to you, doesn't mean it provides the solid foundation you're looking for. It looks more like postmodernist sand, to me. You modernists, who faithfully buy into Grand Narratives that fit your priors would be suckered in by it. But I don't. … all packed and gussied up with its ad hominems. All this is meant to be playful, and the moment it stops being fun, is the moment it should stop. If I have brought us there, please accept my apologies and let’s let it go. All this is trivial compared to Glen’s suggestion that we have to be careful what we say here, not just because of possible hurts endured by one another (which I do care about) but because of who might be listening. This is the second such suggestion from a person I deeply respect that has been offered me this week and I find it deeply concerning. I am so used to the freedom that my professional obscurity conveys that I never worry about such reputational concerns. Also, being an up-tight easterner, I am probably more self-canceling than many of you. Finally, my die is already cast. But should I be listening to what I write with an Other Ear? For your sakes, at least? I suggest we start another thread: “What Cannot Be Said On Friam” and explore this matter carefully. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win". Very obnoxious. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean? On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think. It's heard > on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s. In Mexico they sing, > "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. > > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 7:35 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ > <geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com> > <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com<mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, > neener, neener" means, unfortunately. [...] > > > On 10/26/21 1:03 PM, > thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Grand narratives. Oh, neener, neener, neener. 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