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UCSD 39% UCLA 23% Arizona 24% UNM 37% UT Austin 22% Ed __________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > On Oct 30, 2021, at 11:14 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >I think the definition of Hispanic-serving is based on the percentage of > >Hispanic students which is very high at Highlands > > I would be surprised if Highlands had a higher number of Hispanic students > than any of the universities I mentioned. Compared to to them Highlands is > small. I wonder why percentage is more important than the total number. > Talk about ethnicism. > > > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 10:58 AM Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu>> wrote: > I think the definition of Hispanic-serving is based on the percentage of > Hispanic students which is very high at Highlands. > > The first year I was at UNM, a colleague and I went to career day at > Highlands. Because Highlands lacked an Engineering program, we thought it > would be an excellent opportunity to recruit some of their grads to > Engineering at UNM, The gym was filled with recruiting tables which except > for us were all either from the military or the Ivy League schools trying to > recruit Hispanics. During the morning, not a single student came to our > table. After lunch, a group of young women came to our table, looked at our > materials, and then asked if they needed math to study engineering. When we > said yes, there was a loud “Ugh” and they turned around and left. Only > students we talked to the whole day. > > A few years later, David West would come down to UNM once a week to UNM on > his bike to teach a software engineering course. > > Around that time, we had a very active NM Chapter of SIGGRAPH in NM. I worked > a lot with Bruce Papier at Highlands who was running a wonderful computer art > program at Highlands. I believe he too was pushed out during the Manny Aragon > era. He passed away in Santa Fe a few years ago. > > But what I really want to write about is a related story to David’s at UNM. > At UNM the Latin American (now Latin American and Iberian ) Institute is a > prestigious research and teaching center. It’s founder-director and associate > director were not Hispanics. In the mid-90s, Tom Benavides, a powerful NM > legislator > (http://insidethecapitol.blogspot.com/2004/05/most-excellent-sir-tom-benavides.html > > <http://insidethecapitol.blogspot.com/2004/05/most-excellent-sir-tom-benavides.html>) > insisted the director and associate director be replaced by Hispanics and > when UNM refused, the funding for LAI was removed from the UNM budget. The > result was that UNM had to come up with funds from other projects to support > LAI. > > Tom was a very popular legislator from the South Valley, so popular that > there was a movement to create a separate county for the South Valley and > name it after Tom. But then there was his downfall; drinking and wife abuse. > When he lost a reelection, UNM seized on the opportunity and hired him as a > legislative lobbyist. UNM then got back it’s funding for LAI without having > to replace its leadership. > > At the time, I was teaching a lot of short courses in Latin America through > the Ibero-American Science and Technology Education Consortium (ISTEC) which > was started at UNM and was administratively under LAI. One of Tom’s duties > (actually rewards) was to attend the yearly ISTEC conferences in Latin > America as did I and usually Rose Mary. Tom was somewhat uncomfortable > outside NM and speaking Spanish, so Rose Mary would often invite him to join > us for dinner. I always learned a lot about the spotted history of NM. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > <http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel> > >> On Oct 29, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com >> <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> During the era of which Dave speaks at New Mexico Highlands i had an >> interview for a faculty position in the CS Department there. I wasn't a >> good match because they were looking for someone in the area of computers >> and the arts. Among my application materials I emphasized my ability to >> speak Spanish, my family roots in Central NM, and our adoption of a young >> child from Mexico. Someone told me that it was a mistake to mention the >> relationship with Mexico because Aragon didn't consider Mexicans to be >> Hispanic. To him that word apparently means someone from one of a few >> families from Northern NM. >> >> At that time there was material that claimed that Highlands was the foremost >> Hispanic serving university in the US. At the time I wondered, "What about >> UCSD, UCLA, Arizona, UNM, UTexas, etc?" I think the answer lay in his >> definition of Hispanic. >> >> Frank >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 5:39 PM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm >> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> Manny Aragon was president of Highlands at the time of my program. He hated >> me personally for no apparent reason other than my program was gaining >> publicity and overshadowing his role as "savior" of Highlands. Also, his >> Board of Regents assigned mission was to reduce the white faculty and >> increase the Hispanic.Those efforts earned censure for the University, >> multiple lawsuits by white faculty all of which Highlands lost; and >> eventually Manny's firing as University President. >> >> He arbitrarily and "illegally" (circumventing the faculty and established >> procedures) cancelled the program. Students demonstrated at Capital in >> protest; dozens of industry leaders, and all of our clients, sent letters in >> protest, students directly petitioned Manny to change mind — all to no avail. >> >> A little less than two years after cancelling the program, Manny was >> convicted of embezzlement of federal funds and sent to prison for five >> years. He was Speaker of the House in the state legislature before coming to >> Highlands and nothing but a powerful and corrupt and self-aggrandizing >> politician before coming to Highlands and wreaking havoc. >> >> davew >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: >>> Dave, Sounds like a wonderful program. Is it continuing? If not, why not? >>> If so, how has the structure changed so that it sustains itself as an >>> ongoing effort? >>> >>> -- Russ Abbott >>> Professor Emeritus, Computer Science >>> California State University, Los Angeles >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:40 PM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm >>> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >>> >>> Pieter, >>> >>> Your plans are admirable and exciting.I wish you the best in this endeavor. >>> If you would have any interest, I would be happy to share my experience in >>> New Mexico developing and delivering an industry award winning program — >>> the Software Development Apprenticeship. >>> >>> We totally blew up the academy. The program had no courses — instead we >>> defined "competencies" that had to be demonstrated — acknowledged by peers, >>> professors, and industry professionals — at five different levels: >>> basically following directions or rote learning; applying knowledge solo; >>> applying in different context; mentoring others / sharing knowledge; and >>> making an 'original' contribution or extension to the knowledge. Everyone >>> had to master all the "competencies" to level 3, but would vary widely by >>> individual interest in which ones were achieved at higher levels. >>> >>> We had a "one room schoolhouse" where students worked in teams on >>> real-world development projects alongside industry professionals, graduate >>> students to freshmen mixed on each team. >>> >>> If we had packaged the knowledge delivered in the program into traditional >>> semester credit courses it would have been the equivalent of two >>> undergraduate and three graduate degrees. Subjects far transcended >>> programming and other computer science topics to include business (of >>> course since business constituted the vast majority of our projects), hard >>> and soft sciences, writing, presentation, inter-personal and "soft" skills, >>> philosophy and history (Computer Scientists and Software Engineers are >>> abysmally ignorant of their own history and the thought foundations of >>> their discipline), art (including computer graphics of course, but much >>> more), and math (but probability and statistics and geometry instead of >>> calculus). >>> >>> Students learned 'on-demand'. The project to which they were assigned would >>> require some specific knowledge and they would "demand" that learning. >>> Actually, every six weeks, students would complete a learning plan and the >>> faculty had to combine them into a set of modules for lecture and >>> presentation in the ensuing 6-week interval. All teaching took place in the >>> same open lab/classroom, so everyone either directly or by "osmosis" picked >>> up on what was being taught. >>> >>> The program was immensely successful. Our student body came from the >>> poorest county in the poorest state (sometimes Louisiana would take first >>> place) and were woefully unprepared for college. But they succeeded: one >>> exemplar student entered the program lacking even rudimentary user skills >>> like "cut and paste," but was a team leader and J2EE mentor at the start of >>> his second semester. (He was also the only one who figured out why the Hero >>> — movie of same name — did not kill the warlord unifying China in a >>> wonderfully written essay.) >>> >>> Our student body was 70% minority (mostly because of where we were and the >>> mission of the University) and 51-54 percent female. >>> >>> Half of the students in the first year of the program had papers (not >>> student presentations but full papers) accepted to OOPSLA and Agile both >>> conferences had a 90+ percent rejection rate). Every student was place in >>> jobs, often before graduation and often with the companies who gave us >>> apprenticeship projects. >>> >>> The preceding is just bragging, but I am very proud of what we did. >>> >>> We had two faculty, myself and Pam Rostal and both of us worked 70-90 hour >>> weeks which would not be sustainable long term. We did attract a lot of >>> attention and industry "superstars" would drop by to mentor in their >>> particular area for 2-3 weeks at a time. >>> >>> If you have interest in any details, please ask off-list and I will be >>> happy to respond. >>> >>> davew >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: >>>> The public education system in South Africa is largely broken. For those >>>> who can afford it, we have very good schools, but the majority cannot and >>>> the education options for them are bleak. >>>> >>>> I plan to do something about it. >>>> >>>> This is my second attempt. About three years ago I started a school as a >>>> proof of concept with a radical model to have very high quality yet very >>>> low cost education and it failed miserably. (I managed to make plans for >>>> the kids and I don't believe any suffered from the experience - I pulled >>>> the plug before too much harm was done). I've thought, and discussed it a >>>> lot, and I'm ready to roll out my second, very different attempt. >>>> >>>> The basis of this is that there are plenty of resources available for >>>> free, and provided you manage the environment properly, kids can and will >>>> teach themselves. >>>> >>>> My plan is a model with two legs, both legs offering very high quality >>>> education, but the first leg is relatively expensive and has "bells and >>>> whistles" to attract the wealthy and the second is bare bones to make it >>>> affordable for those kids whose parents can't pay. >>>> >>>> The profit from first leg schools then cross-subsidise the costs of the >>>> second leg schools. >>>> >>>> The concept for both legs are copied from https://www.khanlabschool.org/ >>>> <https://www.khanlabschool.org/> , adapted for local conditions of course. >>>> The second leg schools will just be a low cost version, but the education >>>> offered will still be world class. >>>> >>>> Our academic year starts in January. I'm working flat out to have my first >>>> school of the first leg open in January 2022. Then to have the first >>>> school of the second leg open in January 2023. Then to learn from the >>>> experience, adapt and roll it out so that every child in South Africa has >>>> access to world class education in five years time. >>>> >>>> Pieter >>>> >>>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >>>> archives: >>>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> >>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> >>>> >>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> >>> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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