I just don't see how that is a "loop" except that repeated application of such 
a matrix could lead to oscillation.    It sounded like somehow causality was 
violated and not just obscured.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 3:38 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

Right, high dimension. More important than the matrix being large is that it 
has non-zero cross terms.

On November 28, 2021 8:42:37 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> 
wrote:
>The operators are large (in the sense of a matrix) whether or not they are 
>intended to be?
>
>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:20 AM, ⛧ glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Any of the evolutionary operators across scales, from energy exchange at 
>> the finest to ecosystem reengineering at the coarsest.
>> 
>>> On November 27, 2021 7:33:15 AM PST, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I’ve heard these words from you Glen, but I have no idea what these loops 
>>> are or what you might be talking about.
>>> 
-- 
glen ⛧


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