Tom Johnson's engagement in the open Journalism and open Gov/Data efforts is one thrust, but/and I think we need something further, though I don't know exactly how much. I've a younger friend who evolved from learning data-science as a hydrogeologist working for a remote-sensing (satellite-ag-industry) startup in SFe to getting swallowed up by the likes of Monsanto to jumping ship for an entirely open-source/data project that effectively competes but also supports these commercial efforts (because they are much more prepared to exploit the databases). Zingale's participation (as I understand it) straddles that line as well, contributing and synthesizing highly useful data in the molecular informatics space, much of which becomes implicitly available to "everyone" whilst being (yet more) leveraged by the commercial effort itself. Just over a year ago, the Mapillary project (first person GeoSpatial/navigational/imaging like Streetview) whose data/algorithms were open source and leveraged by crowd-sourced collection was bought out by Facebook for some Meta AR purpose. I can't tell how much of the crowd-sourced data and what was synthesized by it remains as open as was implied by the promise of crowd-sourcing. The list goes on and the issues get more subtle.
The DNA individual testing seems like a good domain to consider as well with a modest percent of the population motivated to pay to be part of the massive data gathering in return for a few hints about their ancestry and/or health-risks. The data gathered is technically (always?) available to the consumer, but the true value is in the collective which is what the companies are monetizing. I know their are some open-data/source projects to try to mirror what the private companies are doing, but it requires customers of the commercial companies to intentionally download/upload their sequence data.
All the recommender applications (from Google Search to Netflix to Google/Yahoo/Facebook Newsfeeds) are right in the middle of this.
I'd be curious/interestedin the Kernel-like feedback I could get by participating, but knowing that the raw data isn't very useful to me (though maybe moreso than to most) and that Kernel (and their ilk) are likely to release only the most tiny sliver of insight they are gaining back to the participants (for a plethora of reasons, some righteous, others not-so-much).
This feels like a push-comes-to-shove moment in the Free Market model where the fungible results ("Product" in "Means of production") are wildly divergent in value qualitatively and quantitatively.
Mumble, - Steve On 3/17/22 9:16 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
They’ve got the right idea about recruiting though. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04492-9On Mar 15, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Prof David West <[email protected]> wrote:Kernel has more sophisticated technology than was available in the late 60's and early 70's, but their basic research plan—as near as I can discover—is a pale imitation of the extensive research done by Charles Tart, John Lilly, and a host of investigators into altered states of consciousness.John Lilly was (in)famous for his work on human-dolphin communication and experiments giving dolphins LSD. His group did extensive research on the use of hallucinogens along with "programming the biocomputer" techniques to treat various psychological disorders.My introduction to LSD was via participation in a research project at Macalester College (1969). We were wired to a rack mounted computer system with electrode patches all over our shaved heads registering brain wave patterns. The study also compared LSD altered states with meditation and Hatha Yoga induced states. One experiment used inversion glasses to mess with perception and the "adjustment phase altered state" while the brain 're-programmed' itself to an upside-down world.Therapeutic effects for depression were noted then.The research done then would never be approved today because it involved human subjects and "dangerous" substances: LSD, psylocibin, and mescaline.davew On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:https://www.kernel.com/participate *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:15 PM*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness Marcus, please send the link. Didn't appear in my email. Thanks.On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:17 PM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:Since some of you are not compulsive link followers, I will go ahead and include the caption: “If you have tried ketamine or a psychedelic substance in the past such as, psilocybin (mushrooms), you may be eligible to enroll in a study investigating the effects of lowdose ketamine on the brain.” What is the world coming to? *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:14 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]> *Subject:* [FRIAM] altered states of consciousness I must post this because I can’t even believe their advertisements. Marcus .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org <http://emergentdiplomacy.org> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listservZoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam <http://bit.ly/virtualfriam>un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - .FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/.-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIChttp://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru presenthttps://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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