Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back. I'm
not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for
how hard (impossible) it is to go backwards... even when that would be
the very best thing to do (were it possible). There is no "undo"
button... entropy does increase... time does march forward, and "the
only way out is through". I can't even begin to guess what it would
look like for humanity to collectively evolve (I suppose societally, not
genetically/individually) to the point that we really can put down
obviously dead-end ideations like "Mutual Assured Destruction" across
the board.
Post Apocalyptic fiction suggests that the only remedy is an
Atlantean-class collapse and "great forgetting" of the shite we know
about being horribly cruel and destructive to one another (and by
extension or vice-versa, the planet/universe?). I *do* think that
there is an "enlightened self-interest* path that is armatured around an
expanding sense of "self" as well as "interest" AND "enlightenment", but
the specifics are an "exercise for the student (as a collective). I
doubt we are going to sort this in my lifetime and maybe not in my
grandchildren's, but that is no reason *not* to try to understand what
that would look like and seek it.
993,765 steps forward and a similar number back? Progress is
incremental until it isn't. Aphorisms 'R US.
On 8/28/22 7:17 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
Huh? shame...no just curious.
I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not
to go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second. Didn't
this get adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non
prolification Treaty?).
Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad?
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com>
wrote:
How do you propose dissuading countries from building these
weapons? Shaming them on mailing lists?
On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore
<gil.densm...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html
Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of
different interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991
coup attempt) Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the
Nuclear Weapons Ban and Test ban treaties that was that. Though
was a we widdle youngling then I do clearly recall Gorby being
all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free food, the coffees
also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being dicks
about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what
we do have...
so um why is this a thing?
So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new
nuclear ban and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to
cock block it? is Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke
Ukrain? (probably). And is this just him being a dick to pout
and posture? Hell do they even anything that can move those
things? they're not exactly light.
Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a
MAD scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered
in his sleep KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes==
f'n stupid, can still make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas
because the rest of us want to live past the next few years.
-ME for one
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