What David said. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 8:49 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> The opinion of an "advanced layman." > > I claim the status because my Computer Science MS was in AI. My first > professional publication was in *AI Magazine*, then the journal of record > for the discipline. I have appeared on panels with Herbert Simon, Marvin > Minsky, and Herbert Dreyfus at AI conferences. I taught AI courses at the > University of New Mexico circa 2009. I have observed the field more or less > continuously, but as an interested observer—not expert and certainly not > practitioner. > > I have always been a critic! From the time that Simon and Newel claimed > that they had "created an artificial intelligence," because it successfully > mimicked the way that university professors claimed to think, to the > present day. I am convinced that advocates of AI and claimants with regard > its power and potential (and threat) base ground their assertions in an > "equivalence" between their work and a debased and limited model of human > intelligence. > > The only danger that *will* (and I use the definite will not the > potential maybe) result from widespread AI is that "the masses" will > believe the hype and come to believe that they, as humans, are inferior in > every way to machines. I believe that political and economic elites will > exploit this denigration of the human in order to consolidate their power > (they already have the wealth). To me, this is nothing more than an > acceleration of a 75 year trend to use the educational system to produce > graduates that are compliant and gullible rather than informed and > intelligent—the latter, obviously, being dangerous to the social order. > > As a species we have, collectively, created gods, forgot how and why we > did so, then worshiped then as Gods—vastly and inevitably superior beings. > AI is just godmaking 2.0 > > davew > > On Tue, May 9, 2023, at 1:34 AM, Tom Johnson wrote: > > It doesn't have to be either/or. I suspect most likely a mix of the two > will evolve as is the case with the whole Digital Revolution. > TJ > > ======================= > Tom Johnson > Inst. for Analytic Journalism > Santa Fe, New Mexico > 505-577-6482 > ======================= > > On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:43 PM Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> > wrote: > > People have different ideas about AI. Naomi Klein thinks that the idea > that AI will solve all our problems is a big joke. She thinks the tech > people are trying to trick us! She thinks AI is not just a tool but also a > creation of the people who made it. Naomi is afraid that if we keep > believing in this lie, we won't fix the real problems we have. > > On the other hand, Sam Altman is excited about AI! He thinks AI can help > us solve things like diseases and climate change, and even drive us around > and cook for us! He doesn't think AI will take over the world or hurt > people. Sam thinks humans will always be in charge of AI. > > So, who's right? I don't know! My magic ball's batteries are dead, so I > can't tell you. But I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens! > > On Mon, 8 May 2023 at 23:42, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > He's not lying, he is running his softmax function at a higher temperature > to collect more samples in the vicinity of the truth. > > > On May 8, 2023, at 12:50 PM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > AI machines aren’t ‘hallucinating’. But their makers are. > > > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/08/ai-machines-hallucinating-naomi-klein > >> Is all of this overly dramatic? A stuffy and reflexive resistance to > exciting innovation? Why expect the worse? Altman reassures us: “Nobody > wants to destroy the world.” Perhaps not. But as the ever-worsening climate > and extinction crises show us every day, plenty of powerful people and > institutions seem to be just fine knowing that they are helping to destroy > the stability of the world’s life-support systems, so long as they can keep > making record profits that they believe will protect them and their > families from the worst effects. Altman, like many creatures of Silicon > Valley, is himself a prepper: back in 2016, he boasted: “I have guns, gold, > potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli > Defense Force and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” > >> I’m pretty sure those facts say a lot more about what Altman actually > believes about the future he is helping unleash than whatever flowery > hallucinations he is choosing to share in press interviews. > > > > > > -- > > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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