Thanks Glen for tucking in. This weather thing (and the garden thing) are eating up all my time.
I think I agree with you. Let that be a lesson to you. Nick On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:21 AM glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Although the Atlantic article has little to do with the C-word, I was > happy to find my point already in it: > > "We struggle enough to see the perspectives of other people;" > > The extent to which we "other" things is a difference of degree, not kind. > This is, again, why analogical thinking is more useful than metaphorical > thinking. I am analogous to both my sibling and my cat. The important point > is not *that* there is an analogy to be made. The important points are the > strength and type (structural and/or behavioral) of that analogy. > > From the PopMech article: "By studying their motivations and > decision-making, we’ll find more ways to manipulate cells, such as > interrupting their processes." > > What they're talking about, in what I think are more useful words, are > high order languages or perhaps "emergent behavior", where things like > "decision-making" are high order processes comprised of low order or > primitive processes. It's often useful to include those macros as > convenient shortcuts for the code that's closer to the metal (or chemistry, > here). But to what extent are those high order operators extant/real such > that they can *cause* effects? ... a causation that's not reducible to > merely complicated causation of the lower orders? > > That's the crux of the argument between those who claim scales of psychism > and those who argue the higher order constructs are different in an > actionable/effective way. > > > On 6/11/24 13:06, Prof David West wrote: > > animals are conscious? The author studies birds as did/does Nick (when > not obsessed with dry lines). > > > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/06/new-anthropomorphism/678611/ > > > > are humans conscious; as well as every cell of their body? > > > > > https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61059424/every-cell-in-your-body-could-be-conscious/ > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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