I finally stopped Grok3 after 2 hours. It promptly denied computing for that amount of time±claiming a "glitch in the matrix." It also forgot, "does not find an record of," my question. Buggy indeed, else I just spent a ton of Elon's money.
davew On Sun, May 4, 2025, at 6:30 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Mechanically, Grok seems kind of buggy to me. One thing that might be > happening is that it has hit a run time limit for the account's subscription > (or the absence of one) and fails to get that message back to the user > because somewhere in its internal conversation it was blocked. > > I do see Mr. Musk bragging about how good Grok is at “over eighteen” topics. > Well, that’s one way to stand out, I suppose. > > > > Marcus > > > > Claude Sonnet 3.7 with Extend Thinking > > ---- > > There's no contradiction in Quine's position when we examine it carefully. > > What appears paradoxical actually reveals his nuanced understanding of how > > language functions in scientific inquiry. > > Quine distinguishes between two contexts: > > > > In established scientific domains, conflating metaphor with fact is > > dangerous because it can lead to category errors and conceptual confusion. > > Here, precision matters. > > At the "fringes" of science-where we encounter novel phenomena or unexplored > > territories-metaphor becomes indispensable precisely because literal > > language hasn't yet been developed for these domains. > > > > The key insight is that metaphors serve as temporary scaffolding. They help > > scientists conceptualize unfamiliar territory and develop initial > > hypotheses. However, as understanding advances, these metaphors should > > either be refined into more precise literal descriptions or explicitly > > recognized as metaphorical. > > This view aligns with Quine's naturalism and empiricism. He acknowledges > > that all language, including scientific language, begins with the > > metaphorical extension of familiar terms to new domains. The crucial point > > is that we remain conscious of when we're using metaphor and don't mistake > > the map for the territory. > > Rather than contradicting himself, Quine is highlighting the tension > > inherent in scientific language-we need metaphors to advance knowledge while > > simultaneously maintaining vigilance against their limitations. > > > > > > Gemini Advanced 2.5 Pro: > > ---- > > (attached) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Prof David West > > Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2025 3:02 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [FRIAM] Just broke grok3 > > > > Query: Quine warns against conflating metaphor and fact but also states that > > metaphor is essential at the fringes of science. Is there a contradiction > > here? > > > > 30 minutes, still no response. > > > > Davew > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... > --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > *Attachments:* > • Quine_ Metaphor and Scientific Fringes_.pdf
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