Hm. By [inter|extra]polation, I mean the prediction of some unvalidated 
value/number based on prior validated values/numbers using a *formal* model. 
While it's true that this conversation, where SteveS asserts an analogy between 
LLM interpolation and human intuition, involves informal interpolation, that's 
a stretch. Stretching formal prediction to informal expectation(s) is OK. We do 
it all the time. But what you're doing in the pigeon thing is conflating the 
formal with the informal. And that's dangerous.

The formal model for a pigeon falling would look a bit different from the 
formal model for a stone, depending not only on the shape of the stone but the 
fact that stones aren't covered in feathers and aren't bags of meat.

Similarly, the formal interpolation done by LLMs may be *very* different from 
the informal interpolation done by humans. I just don't know how linguistic 
interpolation works in the human brain ... and I posit that you don't know 
either. But I can say the formal models lead to concrete expectations. The 
informal ones usually do not.

To be clear, math is formal and concrete (to me). Sentences like "It will fall like 
a stone" are NOT formal, nor concrete. That doesn't mean informal things cannot be 
concrete, however. But concrete informal things require high-frequency, high-dimensional 
feedback ... i.e. we'd have to be standing next to each other when you threw the pigeons 
and the rocks. The concreteness is mediated by that tight coupling.

On 6/19/25 8:25 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
  I am a child in this universe.  Delegate someone to set me straight.

Am I not correct that we cannot have the calculus without interpolation?   Ok,  
so the problem is with linguistic interpolation  ?  So, let us compare two 
interpolations.

Let us toss a dead  pigeon off the Leaning Tower and predict that it will  
arrive on the surface  of  the  Plaza  in N seconds.   We are interpolating,   
right ?    Or  extrapolating.     Whichever.

If  I  said,    "It will fall like a  stone ",   that would  be a linguistic 
interpolation,   right ?

   Both  lead  to  concrete  expectations.      Well ,  at least  to  marble  
ones.    In  one case we  need  a  stopwatch  to con firm; in   the other case  
we  need a  stone.
Nick
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