Dunno how much one should read into a promotional piece from the maker, esp. in 
this area.  But…

One of their summary comments is that it did a bad job of business because it 
was a platform with many frozen elements selected for being “helpful”.

The question “helpful to whom, and for what” was the origin of mechanism design 
in game theory.  I wonder what an MD layer inserted into the operating 
structure would look like.  Since they are willing to insert lots of other 
tools as modules.


> On Dec 19, 2025, at 13:22, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Kind of speaks to this view..
> 
> https://www.anthropic.com/research/project-vend-2 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.anthropic.com%2fresearch%2fproject-vend-2&c=E,1,M0joysvmI7zwO0zjhClGxdyQFoafDDovQquaif9iKUsa5IB1oVrb2FvKy1sD4eN7RJnMuIALXDkc5-7FEVua1jZPxz4r4IGmd7yh3uICVUy_HQqx8Jnl-TPL217R&typo=1>
>  
> From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on 
> behalf of glen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2025 at 9:36 AM
> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] bigly
> 
> I tend to think intelligence (or consciousness or sentience) comes from 
> sensorimotor interactions. So the moral status of a gold fish (or even better 
> an RNA protocell) is higher than that of super-intelligence ... depending, of 
> course, on what we mean by "super". If it means "other dimensions" or even 
> "meta", then *maybe* it has higher status. But if it means "higher order" or 
> "further derived", then it has lower moral status than the *source* material 
> from which it's derived.
> 
> So I'd consider a creature with a high dimensional sensorimotor surface ... 
> what? an octopus maybe? ... to have higher moral status than, say, a human 
> with it's paltry 5± senses. Of course, this is fraught because if we 
> decompose something like "smell" or "touch", it gets more complex than a 
> single dimension, with a variety of different receptors for each "sense".
> 
> Whatever, though. My intention is to call out the difference between many 
> ways of interacting with the world versus sophisticated inference from a few 
> ways of interacting with the world. So Claude/Clawd don't cut the mustard ... 
> yet. What is the real difference between a rich type system with low 
> throughput and a simple type system with high throughput? To boot, it's 
> conceivable that creatures with intense/dense inferential organs are 
> *prevented* from being in tune with the world. I did a bit of a deep dive the 
> other day on the ~25-33% of people who experience significant adverse 
> reactions to meditative and mindfulness practice (~6-14% long-lasting). 
> Gazing at one's belly button isn't healthy for everyone.
> 
> Of course, services like Claude and ChatGPT aren't merely LLMs. They have 
> tools they can reach out to. But those tools are *also* derived, one might 
> say of very (!) high order. I mean, Perplexity, Consensus, Asta, et al reach 
> for sources relatively close to The World because they're classed as 
> "scientific publications". But when Copilot reaches out to sites like 
> humanreligions.info 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fhumanreligions.info&c=E,1,0Ji71EqBTL4Xl62IK0OfJQj4Hy4rAeP8XQPa7zWl0lvRp8Oaig25FffddjEBmOyMBfN6IOc-9_3kn2M4Blf7w8Vsqw2nmfPHzuWPnoWF-cJjRIQ,&typo=1&ancr_add=1>
>  or religionunplugged.com 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2freligionunplugged.com&c=E,1,tJor5NeUCzRCBfy7i00zpCJfKd3uEvyqehDcEaNdnT1a0P5me6JAnwE2r0R8RNHZ6-qJFwkk65nKS2F629hmuIN0LQYQXTFWElsLk_VbwmULNohdWkyPWP4D&typo=1&ancr_add=1>,
>  that's not so much interacting with The World as it's interacting with 
> delusional fantasies, even if "agentic".
> 
> 
> [±] perhaps including things like proprio- or intero-.
> 
> On 12/16/25 8:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > What the heck is "moral status"?  If superintelligence doesn't get moral 
> > status, then I think nothing will deserve moral status.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> > On Behalf Of glen
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2025 8:11 AM
> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > Subject: [FRIAM] bigly
> > 
> > https://www.404media.co/anthropic-exec-forces-ai-chatbot-on-gay-discord-community-members-flee/
> >  
> > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.404media.co%2fanthropic-exec-forces-ai-chatbot-on-gay-discord-community-members-flee%2f&c=E,1,qGDwGc2nHCz34edkt_EiSIyfohWXpnarOi1budl0PYXyF6-ClOJSLyRUBHG29B45CJ9w1_u2miNAK6kp1AoC7hZo3A5Hz2A9inNxtbGCX472rOY,&typo=1>
> > 
> > Jason Clinton, Anthropic’s Deputy Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) 
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-d-clinton/
> > 
> > Jason Clinton wrote 🙄:
> >> It’s quite a bit more complicated than you’d think: we don’t know what
> >> consciousness or sentience is, it’s called the hard problem of
> >> consciousness for a reason, [...]
> >>
> >> We have published research showing that the models have started
> >> growing neuron clusters that are highly similar to humans and that
> >> they experience something like anxiety and fear. The moral status
> >> might be something like the moral status of, say, a goldfish, but they
> >> do indeed have latent wants and desires, [...]
> > 
> > I'm not posting to talk about how silly it is to ascribe consciousness to 
> > an AI bot. Nor am I here to rant, again, about egocentric preemptive 
> > registration. What irritates me about this is the word "highly". Maybe it's 
> > just me. But for a decade or so, we've been pelted all day every day with 
> > sh¡t Trump and his sycophants say. And either they *are* people with 
> > impoverished vocabularies; or they know they're speaking to such. They tend 
> > to intensify "weak" words like "similar". Because they're egoist, they 
> > *must* intensify what they're saying. And because they don't have access to 
> > better words, they have to intensify the few words they do have, e.g. 
> > "highly similar".
> > 
> > Were I Jason, I hope I could have had the self-awareness to eliminate 
> > "highly" and simply write "similar". But a better option is to use stronger 
> > words <https://www.cjr.org/language_corner/very-trump-tweet-intensifier.php 
> > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cjr.org%2flanguage_corner%2fvery-trump-tweet-intensifier.php&c=E,1,z5dZGphGZszsiMWuuYNLjK_tX78mbuZ8n_Nat-H7ksiZ-6M58GUf44ofunJBRK7AJgspeOUavCkafArINgUUX2bI--7wc2Rq5l8IPgcQrjqV3zvtSyCvWwslmEAN&typo=1>>.
> >  As with everything about the TACO President, the mask he chooses tells us 
> > something about what's under that mask. He pretends at strength because 
> > he's inherently weak.
> > 
> > Of course, maybe it's my pet peeve because I'm also guilty of it? .... No! 
> > Stop it! "I got it, I got it! I know your damn words, alright?" 
> > <https://youtu.be/zgvXtexdgAM?si=G5-3-epw235wuY7n>
> > 
> 
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