Axiom are better regarded as assumptions in my opinion.

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2026, 2:47 PM glen <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Never mind that Folley's linearity, here, disallows the exceptions where
> fallacious arguments are *good* arguments ... maybe even [gasp] made good
> *because* they're fallacious. But because some of my AI slop has recently
> been labeled "factually incorrect" 8^D, his use of the phrase starting just
> after the 2:36 mark triggered me.
>
> The 7 Levels of Logical Thinking
> https://youtu.be/yrimaWOQtfM?si=QL8-wj68gqj67ltu&t=156
>
> "There are awful people throughout history who have still been factually
> correct about some things. And there are incredibly moral people who have
> been factually incorrect about some things."
>
> Grrr. In addition to the assumption of linearity, let's put aside the
> violation of Hume's guillotine. What I'd like to focus on is nickname
> "fact". What is fact in such argumentation? I suppose we could allow that
> axioms are "brute" facts and, if the inference is truth-preserving,
> subsequent sentences may be facts but not brute. But these punctuation
> marks, the well-formed sentences are distinct from the transformations that
> operate on them. Are the transformations properly called "facts", just like
> the sentences they operate on? My guess is that they're more akin to axioms
> than derived outcomes. So the transformations are also brute, if they're
> facts at all.
>
> And if we promote primitive transformations to "facts", then do we also
> promote compositions of transformations to "facts"? Would the compositions
> be analogous to the derived sentences? So composite tranforms are mere
> facts but primitive transformations are brute facts?
>
> Worse yet, although the rest of what he says in the rest of the video is
> fine, just fine, w.r.t. to what can be called or understood as "fact", are
> metalogical classificiations of logics somehow *more* factual? I mean, if
> some property holds for a class of logics, then there's a bit of wiggle
> room in which logic you choose for some task addressable by any in the
> class. So that metalogical fact is a more robust fact than a persnickety
> fact upheld by a smaller set of logics. By this progressive promotion, we
> might say that "brute facts" of axioms or primitive transforms in a
> particular logic are not even facts, whereas metalogical true sentences are
> facts, flipping the whole "factuality calculus" on its head. Could "it is
> blue" be less factual than "there exist things that are blue"?
>
> Or even more radical, is it possible that AI hallucinations, having been
> derived from more data than God, are more factual than any particular
> validated output?
>
> Is gaslighting more entheogenic than psilocybin? Where are the
> representative Scientologists when you need one?
>
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