New subject title: Dual Roster Fish or Cut Bait! Many thanks to Lee for picking up on yesterdays post and to Jean for asking the important questions we must now address.
Where is what I wrote:"For LCMC it means that the dual rostering of clergy and congregations will have to be modified and within a reasonable given amount of time allotted discontinue the practice all together. But those details will have to be worked out and approved in order for LCMC to continue." Because I simply wish to keep things transparent as of this morning I have already sent notification to the board of trustee's to expect a resolution that will most likely be drafted to address the dual roster of clergy and congregations both ELCA and LCMC at the up coming convention. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING AND OFFER YOUR OPINIONS FOR DISCUSSION. 1.] It is not We the under signed of LCMC who force our hand in this matter but rather, sinful sodomites and there lovers known as the ELCA who force this matter of question on dual rostering upon us. 2.] The ELCA passage of allowing practicing homosexuals to be rostered as active clergy serving in the ELCA is contrary to the truth of Scripture. It stands contrary to the "Pastoral Admonition" of LCMC as well, other supporting LCMC documents. 3.] Therefore dual rostering of ELCA and LCMC clergy and congregations must be modified and within a reasonable given amount of time allotted discontinue this practice all together. Just as a "Slave cannot serve to masters" neither can clergy or congregation serve both God and satan. 4.] Those LCMC members who are currently dually rostered ELCA - LCMC congregation and clergy shall from this convention date have two years by which to completely end their rostered membership with the ELCA. Should for show of good cause more time be needed appeals maybe made directly to the convening membership at the annual convention for a vote. 5.] All ELCA congregations and clergy wishing to join LCMC after this convention date shall enjoy the same two year time allotted privileges and appeals for extension. doug v. ________________________________ From: Jean Coleman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:43:38 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION I have one question about what constitutes "reasonable length of time" for dual rostered clergy and congregations. There are practical matters, like changing constitutions in order to preserve property and name that need to be taken into consideration. Each state has their own laws in this matter, and it may take some time to be able to legally maneuver out of the ELCA. Jean PS--The seminarian that Pr Rob mentioned--had all of her education under non-Lutheran professors, including on the Confessions (lots of informal education from LCMC folks, though). On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Pastor Lee R Harder <[email protected]> wrote: Friends, After seeing the emails, various websites, and the general buzz about the latest plunge into false teaching and the ELCA's social gospel, I could no longer resist some comment on a number of items. First, I could not agree more that this latest event is nothing more than a symptom of a disease that continues to plague the church. I have been saying that for years. The disease is the unwillingness to accept the authority of Scripture or, more simply, to let God's Word BE God's Word. Apparently God does not understand our modern world and its problems. At least, that's what I've heard. In truth, we see before us the sin of Adam yet one more time. It never changes. Just like those first human beings so long ago, the ELCA has presumed to think that they know more than God. In fact, it would not surprise me if there were some who presume to think they are God. After all, they do not hesitate to pick and choose which texts of the Bible suit them or their purposes. I wonder what guise the evil one took this time to persuade the leaders of the ELCA to "be like God." Second, as to the status of dual rostered congregations and clergy, I agree that after a reasonable length of time following our LCMC convention, it's time for these people to fish or cut bait. How anyone can continue to feed at the trough of ELCA apostacy, after this, staggers the imagination. I'm not denying altar fellowship, continued prayer, cooperation, etc., with the ELCA, but membership in the ELCA after this week, would seem to be an advocation of this doctrinal (FORGIVE ME -- LACK OF DOCTRINAL) position.. It should come under serious question. I continue to pray for these leaders, who have sold their souls to the devil, to repent and once again serve our Lord instead of themselves. I continue to pray for the hundreds of thousands of people who have been led to believe this is a good decision so that they may once again see the truth because for now, they are certainly blind. I continue to pray for those who have fought this direction that has been taken to cry STOP and trust in the Lord and at long last take a stand for the Word and not what is convenient or safe. There, I think I've said enough. May God have mercy! Yours in Christ, Pastor Lee R. Harder President Beyond the River Academy P.S. Sorry, Dennis. I couldn't resist. >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Warren Baker >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 PM >>Subject: Re: QUESTION >> >> >>Kent and Doug, >>I suppose your both right, but I"ve already got several calls from some >>friends from the baptist background wanting to extend their sorry over >>us Lutherans. And I had to explain we are not part of the ELCA. >> Warren >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Douglas Vaughan >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:56 PM >>>Subject: Re: QUESTION >>> >>> >>>Warren >>> >>>One could refer to themselves as one wishes however that does not make it >>>so. By all that defines a Lutheran the answer to your question isNO! As I >>>have over the years repentedly said it stands for the EASY LIVING CLUBHOUSE >>>in AMERICA. As Paul Harvey would say; " And now you know the rest of the >>>story." >>> >>>doug v. >>> ________________________________ From: Warren Baker <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:12:39 PM >>>Subject: QUESTION >>> >>> >>>Can the ELCA still call themselves Lutheran ? >>> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ This is a private e-mail list, not officially connected with Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ, but made up of members, friends & supporters of that organization. Opinions stated here are the responsibility of the writer and do not necessarily reflect the opinions, policies or positions of LCMC. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Friends of LCMC" group. 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