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From: RDIABO <rdi...@rogers.com>
Subject: Fw: Rawiri Taonui: Holocaust or not,  Indigenous have suffered
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FYI


 

From: Michael (Mickey) Posluns, Ph.D. 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:05 AM
To: RDIABO 
Subject: Re: Fw: Rawiri Taonui: Holocaust or not, Indigenous have 
suffered
 
lI am writing to express my agreement with Mr. Taonui 
while also sympathizing with Stephen Goldman, president of the Jewish Council 
(though I'm not sure just which Jewish Council).  Having spent most of my 
adult life writing about the civil disabilities imposed on Indigenous peoples, 
particularly on First Nations in Canada, I certainly support demands for much 
greater recognition of the suffering imposed as a matter of state 
policy.

I think that there can be no doubt about the genocidal intentions 
in the colonization of many Fourth World peoples.  The term "Holocaust" has 
been used in English to describe the wholesale destruction of peoples or other 
matters since the 13th century (See the Ox. Eng. Dict.).  While I, as a Jew 
would like a specific term to describe and refer to the Jewish experience, I 
think it is a little late to run after a word that has been in common English 
usage for quite so long.  My preferred solution was mentioned in the 
article below by Raouni Taonui, i.e. using the Hebrew or Yiddish terms.  At 
least in English discourse that should make it clear which event is being 
referred to.

There is another question.  I don't know whether there 
was the same kind of systematic slaughter of Maoris that happened periodically 
in the United States.  (I have often thought that the main difference 
between the American slaughter of "Indians" and the German destruction of 
European Jewry is that the Americans waged their campaign "only" sporadically, 
often as a sort of make word project, as, for example in the years following 
the 
Civil War when there were three million men under arms and the state had an 
interest in removing them from the eastern States.)  

If genocide is 
mass murder calculated to bring about the destruction of whole peoples, I don't 
see much difference.  The element of mens rea, of intention is no 
less present whether the campaign is waged systematically as in Germany or 
sporadically.  I remember my late mother-in-law telling us one evening of 
the pogrom she witnessed in the village where she spent her childhood.  She 
watched as the Cossacks strung up several of the village elders.  70 years 
later it was still preying on her mind.  I know from working with them, 
that the descendants of John Ice, the man who was shot in cold blood by the 
Dominion Police at the Mohawk community of Akwesasne in 1901 continue to 
remember that assassination.  The impolite (and impolitic) question that I 
am inclined to ask, from a child's eye view, is "How many such state sanctioned 
murders does it take to traumatize those who witness such an event?"

I 
particularly agree with Mr. Taouni's concluding observation, that competition 
is 
particularly inappropriate in the realm of human suffering.

Fraternally 
yours,
Michael Posluns.
,
On 29/02/2012 8:01 PM, RDIABO 
wrote: 

  
  
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  From: First Peoples Human Rights Coalition 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:22 AM
  To: i...@firstpeoplesrights.org 
  Subject: Rawiri Taonui: Holocaust or not, Indigenous have 
  suffered
   
  
  From the article 
  below: "In 1993, the former British 
  colonies of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United States (Canzus) 
  opposed the draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) 
  which included prohibitions against "ethnocide" and "cultural genocide". 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
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  nzherald.co.nz
   
   
  
  
  Rawiri 
  Taonui: Holocaust or not, 
  Indigenous 
  have sufferedBy Rawiri Taonui 
  5:30 
  AM Tuesday Feb 28, 2012 
  
    






    











    
    






    
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  The 
  term Holocaust was first used generally after the 1978 mini-series of the 
same 
  name starring Meryl Streep. Photo / Supplied
  Semantic 
  arguments are a sideshow when the subject is the destruction of peoples, 
  writes Rawiri Taonui, adjunct professor of indigenous studies at 
  AUT.
  Jewish 
  Council president Stephen Goodman's criticism of Keri Opai's view that Maori 
  colonial experiences compare to a holocaust is simplistic.
  He 
  labelled the claim an ignorant attempt to elevate Maori grievances that 
  trivialises and diminishes the genocide of European Jews.
  However, 
  several scholars have taken issue with Jewish claims to exclusive use of the 
  term holocaust. For instance, it excludes millions of other victims of the 
  Nazi extermination including socialists, homosexuals, the disabled, Romani 
  (Gypsies), Slavs, Poles and Soviet prisoners of war (2.8 million Russian POWs 
  died in one eight-month period).
  Used 
  for four centuries in Europe to describe various massacres, others argue the 
  Armenians have the first claim to its formal use. The Ottoman Empire caused 
  one million Armenian deaths during World War I. Winston Churchill termed that 
  a holocaust. In 1922 a now eminent poem titled The Holocaust was composed, 
and 
  in the following year a book The Syrma Holocaust appeared.  After World 
  War II, holocaust was used to describe the bombings of Dresden and Hiroshima, 
  the 1930s Stalin-induced Ukrainian Great Famine and Japan's suppression of 
  Korea and Manchuria.
  From 
  the 1950s onwards, holocaust was increasingly used to refer to the Nazi 
  genocide, often as a translation of the Jewish descriptor shoah (catastrophe) 
  or the Yiddish term churben (destruction). Nora Levin's book The Holocaust: 
  The Destruction of European Jewry appeared in 1968.
  The 
  unqualified formal use of "Holocaust with a capital H" as the terror of the 
  Jews did not come about until after the 1978 TV mini-series of the same name 
  starring Meryl Streep. A majority of the world's named Holocaust centres date 
  from then.
  Holocaust 
  with a small "h" continues to be used to describe events such as African 
  slavery, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, the Rwanda slaughter and indigenous colonial 
  histories.
  While 
  I believe Holocaust defines the Jewish experience - the horrific pinnacle of 
  industrial-scale human extermination - I also understand why indigenous 
  peoples use the term, not just to define their experience, but more 
  importantly to highlight the denial of their experience.
  Writers 
  such as David Stannard and Ward Churchill, who attest the colonisation of the 
  Americas was a holocaust, argue that condemnations like Mr Goodman's actually 
  reinforce the denial of horrors perpetrated upon indigenous populations.
  That 
  denial has a history. Polish Jew Raphael Lemkin coined the term "genocide" in 
  1943 providing a broad based definition including physical, political, 
social, 
  biological and cultural genocide. The latter was applicable to indigenous 
  contexts, Lemkin arguing genocide could be immediate or cumulative over 
  time.
  Historian 
  David Cesarani went further. He said over the longer term the oppression of 
  colonised peoples can be more costly than the Holocaust.
  Lemkin 
  subsequently drafted a UN Convention on Genocide in 1946. The Soviet Union 
  opposed his definitions because of its record of political suppression. The 
  United States, France and Britain did so as well because of their colonial 
  records.
  When 
  the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide 
  (UNCPPCG) was adopted two years later, the reference to cultural genocide had 
  been effectively expunged. Administered under the Rome Statute (1998) and 
  International Criminal Court (2002), Article 2 defines genocide as any acts 
  intended to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group such as 
  killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, inflicting particular living 
  conditions, preventing birth and forcibly removing children.
  With 
  an emphasis squarely on state "intent", the outcome has been that Western 
  European countries have been able to prosecute leaders from weaker developing 
  and Eastern Europe countries, while exonerating themselves for any colonial 
  transgressions on the basis that they were the inadvertent consequences of 
  "civilising" projects.
  In 
  1993, the former British colonies of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the 
  United States (Canzus) opposed the draft Declaration on the Rights of 
  Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) which included prohibitions against "ethnocide" 
  and "cultural genocide". As a result the terms "cultural destruction" and 
  "forced assimilation" were moved into a separate section, and ethnocide and 
  cultural genocide replaced by genocide, which by default referral to the 1948 
  Convention and Rome Statute, again protected Western countries with colonial 
  baggage.
  UNDRIP 
  was passed at the UN General Assembly in 2007 - 143 countries voted in 
  support, only the Canzus four voted against.
  In 
  the search for due recognition, writers and academics continue to use the 
  terms cultural genocide and holocaust to describe colonisation in the 
Pacific, 
  Americas, Tibet, East Turkmenistan and other places.
  When 
  Tariana Turia made her holocaust reference in 2000, Judy Sedley from the 
  Wellington Jewish Community Centre said that might be appropriate if Maori 
  used the term with a small "h".
  Posterity 
  might determine that the Jewish Holocaust belongs alongside an Armenian and 
  other holocausts and "Colonial Genocide" might describe many indigenous 
  experiences.
  In 
  a debate about honouring by acknowledgement the inestimable numbers of humans 
  over many generations who suffered in this way, those who condemn indigenous 
  peoples lack the humanity and grace of Lemkin. Suffering is never a 
  competition.
  © Copyright 2012, APN 
  Holdings NZ LimitedBy Rawiri Taonui




  
    

  
  
  
    

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