-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2012 03:05 PM, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > There aren't any non-free packages in Debian, silly! Please ask a > question that makes sense.
Contrib and nonfree are going to hang on Debian's neck like the proverbial millstone throughout any freedom discussion with FSF. It doesn't matter how much you regurgitate claims of separation. Debian can say they aren't part of Debian, but only Debian respects that statement. It is unconscionably dishonest. > Duplicated effort means that new work isn't being accomplished. That is unfortunate. It would be nice if developers could work together on the same project to increase efficiency. Does that mean Debian would consider permanently deleting the contrib and nonfree repositories if it meant you could get more developers on board? > You seem to be confused on an important point - Debian is entirely > free. It happens to work without error if people include the > non-Debian Contrib and Non-Free repositories. It's probably worth > clearing up your misunderstanding so we can proceed with rational > discourse. I am not confused on any point. I disagree with your statement that Debian is free, because I do not recognize the claim that contrib and nonfree are not part of Debian. You can say that it is, but I think that is complete make believe. One cannot have rational discourse over delusional statements. What I can respect is that Debian developers have gone to some effort to ensure that a completely free subset of Debian packages work without other packages from contrib and nonfree. All of which belong 100% totally and completely to Debian, the operating system or the project, or the make believe land of open source faeries, whichever "Debian" to which you are refering. It's time for Debian to quit with the wordplay to start owning its work. > I don't think anyone's suggest that offering users choice is > "ruining it" for anyone. Users already have choice, whether Debian maintains packages in contrib/nonfree or not. But that isn't what I meant. By "ruining it" I mean to say, preventing Debian from being listed on the FSF free distribution list. I wouldn't dream of telling Debian that they aren't allowed to gratuitously award themselves phony and absurd honors by pretending that Debian is free, nor that anyone who maintains contrib and nonfree aren't allowed or should be stopped from doing so. I'm saying that I expect that if you do the latter, Debian will simply never appear on the FSF free distribution list. It doesn't belong there. >> Its not worthy of the attention of a thinking person. > Intelligent people know how to compromise to accomplish shared > goals. Good. Here is a compromise. Get rid of contrib and nonfree, and I would expect serious consideration for Debian to join the FSF's free distribution list. Is that fair? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQHfRGAAoJEM5s7GXJ0FEIL/0H/3jjEGaMLT9d863+0zqW+hLv 5huSTSAdmOmXYofnYJO1VuzoulW7mSx08FPpuyc86qTkGRkozM5MVE21MWed67tc YtmC4kdZ77Tfb8CYTf2bnOtQGlveSoW+iAhED2trzhQV8JosPRJ5iDBWjCnvJnAB AyiFVhk1fLwILCQLHybDE+oUKPeXQneE8OrRV24cqOZsNpUUG5YN0xbNL69bDs+6 vIMmRThOagEud3r+J712qOAQTUN7xxgohho9sNTI8QDwehF0JYJskBlqdDGCrAW4 5plb3HRQxlBC7QFPR/PZImvHIzd8tawo1p3iSNnq7e3O6RCPkqrNlYbyPDGfAnw= =+Ia2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Fsf-collab-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/fsf-collab-discuss
