-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/2012 02:13 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > I appeal to you to consider why you're participating here and > whether you are helping or hurting your goal by communicating in > this inflammatory us-versus-them way; and I appeal to others here > to consider how much energy to expend on firefighting.
I fail to see an us vs them situation. Me vs you, maybe, and only on the grounds that it isn't helpful to demand of me to accept your claim that Debian is free on the basis of definitions instead of what is actually user-facing. Its seems to me that some parties on both sides have agreed with me. Only you and one other person have brought inflexible views to me. Who told me I was irrational for saying Debian is a nonfree distribution, and proceeding to obfuscate the matter with gratuitous internal definitions that don't actually effect what Debian is in the wild. I haven't demonized Debian. I have said Debian has done heavy lifting in the promotion of user's freedom, and only criticized very specific problems with self-congratulatory claims to be free, and one or two lines in the foundational documents. But the problem is there, and when mentioned, the critic gets buried in bureaucratic dogma. This is hardly a demand for complete transformation. We have largely moved past the issue of Debian's contradictory definitions, and worked out some reasonable ideas about migrating nonfree packages away from the distribution. It hasn't caused any friction at all to discuss this with others who accept that the nonfree parts are effectively as much a part of Debian as everything else. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQIekPAAoJEM5s7GXJ0FEIVskH/iHEOxhFP+mfBXOP6+V3A3PG TG/JoEmFS53Xqe+GoRpfFUceIUEtAguw9kRo57xBZXQgmiMkGMT9IWOGQFTi5x7b yn5pkUaXYNqVs02fzsyICcZDJuqvfYopvl8/wPYJQMwZQrAKYnAOFLfXPIDjeNjU ZrYUTFK7ifRCcgyYt4f7Aj2QjICiZfixmhm9fTu1f/Uq55bhWOzQbjlJNVDhwQ1r O1bgdCh57DJW92sB4JXQL5qLyrX0FRtKpOsbqFzHGMFJRbZIVe78JceVaGg6Wcyn tDHREUbpHe3kurF2FMcyoxwLI8HVH/4QUP5qDS1qP00vlrN5J/R9bGzyKUyEBag= =SIMh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Fsf-collab-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/fsf-collab-discuss
