Hi Dave, On 17/01/2008, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 17/01/2008, Noah Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 09:55:10PM +0000, Jon Grant wrote: > > > Anyone know if it is possible to get a refund for Apple's Mac OS X..? > > > I'd love to buy one of their "Air" laptops if there is a way to get it > > > pre-loaded with GNU+Linux or a refund... got a USB stick with Kubuntu > > > ready to go.. ;) > > You'd make major primetime TV network news if you get them to preload > GNU+Linux or even get a refund :-) You would probably also send their > stock down a few pegs :-)
Yeah, I probably wont be sucessful until the atlantic has frozen over! If i get some diggs it might raise the profile of this though.. http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Mac_OS_X_refund > > My advice is don't bother. > > "Openness is not a cargo cult. Some get it, some don't. Apple doesn't." > - http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/02/when-the-bough-breaks > > > Apple hardware is: > > > > 1) VERY expensive, > > 2) not upgradable/tweekable, > > 3) not officially supported by Ubutnu > > > > The upshot of this is that: > > 0) It is very thin, 12-24 months before anyone else is selling laptops that > thin Sony X505 is almost as thin, and has a mass of 450g less! > To me, the free software movement is very clear that _freedom_ is a > more important primary value than the others. It always takes longer > to get the other values to a similar level as any proprietary > alternative while keeping our freedom. > > > 2) when you want to upgrade or repare you HAVE to use an apple > > registered repair shop using official apple parts > > Laptops are generally more finicky about upgrades though, so I'm not > sure how specific this is to Apple. Kubuntu has significant issues with my Dell laptop too.. http://jguk.org/2007/11/ubuntu-killed-my-laptop.html I tried again last night with 7.10, i put /boot on a USB stick, and the GRUB on the MBR of that USB stick. GRUB appeared, but nothing would boot, couldn't find the kernel from external USB root drive.. I had though putting /boot on the USB stick it would have found that at least.. or maybe I need to munge the device table or something..? The USB devices were all connected in the same order that worked in the installer. GRUB couldn't even load MS-Windows off the main drive, I had to unplug the USB drive and USB stick to get it to do anything. Flakeyness like this is what puts people off, all my friends want to try GNU+Linux, but if it can't dual boot on a laptop they're not interested. > > 3) all manner of subtle things will break with Ubuntu because the > > hardware simple doesnt get as tested as regular i368 machines. > > My experience is that most Apple users run Mac OS X and then run > GNU+Linux and Windows virtualised; with paravirtualisation, there is > no noticeable loss of speed, and it makes whole-filesystem backups > convenient and so on. (A G5 isn't powreful enough to do this though) Good points. Cheers, Jon _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk
