-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. Religion is an excuse to dominate simple minds.
Avraham Schneider wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab <alaa.abdelwa...@free.fr > <mailto:alaa.abdelwa...@free.fr>> wrote: > > Avraham, > > With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language > > I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many years, but > does that mean they have to own the whole land now? > > They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it back - so > yes, they have the right for the whole land now. > > > I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands, > without denying the same right > for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for > thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of the states. > > The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years. > Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof > is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset members). > The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - they > were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the > war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that > entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be > defeated - something that did not happen. > When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later > made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder > why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs? > > > > There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with > Jewish, > they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims > control > the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary to what > Europe > did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with Palestinians. > > The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for genocide of > Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority > TV, on March 30, 2007: > > "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the > Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: Oh, > Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!' > > I think that proves you wrong. > > > > The Idea is to live and let others live as well. > > Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the land the > Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace. > The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian > population that support the terrorists firing them. > > > > Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you > agree with > aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own the power > should kill every one before they have the same power. > I'm surprised from your idea. > > In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would accept the > daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population. > Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government by 90% > of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the > U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego. > How do you think the U.S. would react? > How do you expect the U.S. to react? > > > > So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't > kill all > Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and they had the > chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we > believe that > we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their > religion, > color, origin ...etc > > They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not convert > - they didn't succeed but they tried. > > > > The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so don't > built > the hate or you are going to pay for it. > > History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires rise and > fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice prevails. > > > > > Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be changed. > > You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening... > regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid. > > > > But we will never change our idea. > > I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr. > Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the > world has to deal with. > > > > > Brgds...Alaa > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman Independent Linux and Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG - OWASP http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/eng.html Mailing List Archives at http://archiver.mailfighter.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJYNuJAlpOsGhXcE0RCl3bAJwNkCOc2whm9ydhbzg2l4yGFE26MgCfT/y1 XhN45sSE63MnBePdtLnBZ0Q= =GKq1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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