Avarham -- plz find some who CARE about your propaganda and stop spaming
> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Avraham Schneider [mailto:avri.schnei...@gmail.com] > Sent: 6. januar 2009 10:45 > To: j-f sentier > Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine > > if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies? > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier <j.sent...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Avraham, dude you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some > thermo-pump > > or something > > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :) > > > > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider <avri.schnei...@gmail.com> > >> > >> The basic facts: > >> > >> * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians. The > >> number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by > >> Israel is precisely zero. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been > >> trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom > >> unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and > in > >> their mosques. > >> * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate > >> humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while > >> Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60 > >> truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were > >> transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of > >> Gaza's electricity. > >> * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has > >> indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population > >> centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone. > >> * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching > >> pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years. > >> * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and > >> launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian > population > >> centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line > of > >> fire. > >> * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its > >> civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the > >> border. > >> * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror > >> attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would > respond > >> very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown > >> restraint to date. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <e...@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer > <la...@larryseltzer.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name. > >> > > >> >> Larry Seltzer > >> >> eWEEK.com Security Center Editor > >> > > >> > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to > step > >> > in and say something. > >> > > >> > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the > Palestinian > >> > people. > >> > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today > >> > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that > made > >> > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt. > >> > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by > the > >> > British Mandate in 1920. The region referred to as "Palestine" in > >> > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan, > >> > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries. Until 1920, there > >> > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country. > >> > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians. > >> > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the > intent > >> > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this > doesn't > >> > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians). In 1947, the UN > approved > >> > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab. In > 1948, > >> > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling > itself > >> > "Israel". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel: > >> > > >> > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly > >> > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government > >> > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it > was > >> > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and > Jews.[51] > >> > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan > >> > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, > 1947, > >> > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. > >> > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city a corpus > >> > separatum administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its > >> > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the > Arab > >> > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1, > 1947 > >> > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab > >> > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that > these > >> > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations > >> > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to > >> > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a > policy > >> > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic > >> > subversion and psychological warfare.[55] > >> > > >> > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the > >> > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel. > The > >> > following day five Arab countries Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon > and > >> > Iraq invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56] > >> > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist > the > >> > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and > >> > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established. > Jordan > >> > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and > >> > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a > member > >> > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000 > >> > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab > >> > population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian > refugees > >> > today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian > >> > conflict.[59][60] > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > >
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