On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said: > >> I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about >> n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my >> position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because >> they believed something that was written in the media and had an >> expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought >> I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't >> be real. > > I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider: > > 1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did > his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded > as the biggest security troll since Gobbles.
I'm not a troll and neither was Gobbles. > 2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either > didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a > point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself. You don't know the vast majority, you social with a few names on full-disclosure who are active posters. > 3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared > off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that > any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure > *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls. > I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the n3td3v mailing list group. That was the mistake made people thought I was a troll, n3td3v isn't a troll its been real the whole time. > Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years, > and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't > know who he was?". I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on and my actual opinion on things. The only actual troll i've seen *ever* on full-disclosure is "Ureleet" thats your troll, neither n3td3v or Gobbles have ever been trolls. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
