> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Schmehl" <pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com> > To: "full-disclosure" <full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:47:41 -0600 > > > --On November 5, 2009 9:12:29 PM -0600 Chris <r...@operamail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Getting back on topic, it is well-known, and proven, that the NSA has > > surveillence facilities inside several U.S. telecom carriers. You need > > only look inside one of AT&T's PoPs in San Francisco for proof. > > > > You know this to be true because you've looked for yourself, right? You > didn't just take the world of a complete stranger quoted by a compliant > press at face value, did you?
The pictures were good enough. > > Yes, the NSA might target non-citizens, however, without oversight, who > > is to know? Don't mention FISA judges either. They have become a rubber > > stamp for wiretap requests with an approval rate of well over 99.99%. > > > > Sure, because we all know those rat bastards at the NSA and all those > federal judges don't give a shit about the USA or freedom or personal > rights. What do you say to the 99.99% approval rate? Are the FBI and other enforcement agencies just that good or is there a rubber stamp at work here? > When you forget that the people who work in government are just like you, > trying to make a living and do the best they can, it's easy to > depersonalize them and demonize them as if they're all blackhearted evil > turds. Easy, that is, if you don't have much of a brain. What an idealistic view. How quant. I suppose you believe in truth, justice, and the American way as well. This is 2009. Wake up, Paul. The government is about one thing -- staying in existence. Given your stance on other topics, I'm surprised you don't realize this. > > The same applies to the NSLs issued by the FBI. Not only are targets > > not permitted to talk about such NSLs, but they can't even acknowledge > > the existance of such NSLs. > > > > And yet, here you are asking for the very proof that cannot be provided. > > > > That's hilarious. The surveillance program didn't even survive for four > years after 9/11 before someone inside the NSA "blew the whistle" on the > program. (snip off-topic ranting) We aren't talking about the NSA. Try to keep up. The NSLs are issued by the FBI. > And of course Congress knew nothing about it, even though they had been > briefed about it dozens of times and never raised a single objection. No question they dropped the ball. Am only surprised that you didn't expect as much. (snip more off-topic diversionary BS) > Of course we all know that Joe Wilson told the truth and George Bush lied. > That should be obvious to any rational person, right? Nobody mentioned George W Bush. Oh wait...you did. Why is that? > But we'll never know for sure if the "whistleblowers" were motivated by > something other than altruism, because you're so deeply concerned about > your personal privacy and freedom that it would never even occur to you to > question the motives of anyone who agrees with your view of the world. This isn't about me, Paul. Despite your attempt to divert the discussion. > The fact that you believe that only those who violate their oath of office > are honest and only those who never violate their oath of office are > dishonest blinds you to the possibility that the truth lies somewhere in > between. Wow. How did you pull that fact out of your ass? Nobody mentioned violating their oaths of office...except you. more diversionary bullshit. > > The only question I have for you is... > > > > Which government agency is paying your mortgage? > > The same one that is proposing to pay for your healthcare and control > every other aspect of your life because you're too blind to see the forest > for the trees. I, along with my employer, pay for my health care. That's another thing you're wrong about. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/